<p>Take a look at Harvey Mudd. Excellent engineering program and athletes play on teams with kids from Claremont and Scripps.</p>
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<p>What I listed were Majors, not class electives.</p>
<p>People do major in Law (*), in Languages and in particular instruments.
And the work involved to excel in each one is extremely intensive.</p>
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<li>Yes, I know Law School is at the graduate level.</li>
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<p>^ Although the 2 patent attorneys I know said law school was like a walk in the park after getting their engineering degrees. They did agree, however, Baroque violoncello da spalla was a b*tch</p>
<p>Whether or not it is true that all engineering majors are harder than all other majors (and I don’t think it is true, though I wouldn’t say Slavonic Languages are any harder than English or German), it is definitely a stereotype and some coaches believe it.</p>
<p>We are planning that my son will take summer courses so that he can graduate on time with an engineering degree, especially if he ends up in D1. If he goes D3, he will likely do two sports, so he might also take some summer or winter courses in that case.</p>
<p>Our DD’ s field hockey team mate applied to an ancient 8 to do engineering - dad and siblings are all engineers.</p>
<p>Right as the EA aPplication was due, she changed her mind - now wants to attend the schools outstanding school of business. Dad was disappointed but its the girls decision . She a good enough student to excel wherever she’s at.</p>
<p>Happy Thanksgiving to all.</p>
<p>My D is a sophomore Chem E major on a D1 track team and is doing great in both. She has no free time for anything else though, such as a campus job or student club involvement. Even fitting in her Honors Program requirements is a problem…and study abroad is out of the question. </p>
<p>If your son wants a full campus experience, D3 would be the way to go. However, if he wants to push as far as he can go athletically and have access to top engineering labs you can’t beat D1.</p>
<p>Like Rhandco’s S, my D took a summer class and will continue to do so to lessen the in-season semester credit totals. </p>
<p>Priority registration is key to scheduling courses, labs and about 20 hours a week of practice/conditioning.</p>
<p>Of course ditto on the not doing a school year or summer job, if D1 anyway. I only was able to get a job while college was in session when I dropped out of my social club, and that wasn’t near the commitment of a team.</p>
<p>The trouble my son is having is the D3 schools we looked at do not have as nice campuses as some of (not all) D1 schools he is looking at. Athletic facilities matter a lot to him. But so does engineering.</p>
<p>We figure saying he is undecided until a college coach gets serious is a good idea, but he has several D1 and D3 “ITs” on his list where most kids are engineering majors so the coaches have no choice and he doesn’t have to hem and haw.</p>
<p>*"The trouble my son is having is the D3 schools we looked at do not have as nice campuses as some of (not all) D1 schools he is looking at. Athletic facilities matter a lot to him. But so does engineering.</p>
<p>We figure saying he is undecided until a college coach gets serious is a good idea, but he has several D1 and D3 “ITs” on his list where most kids are engineering majors so the coaches have no choice and he doesn’t have to hem and haw. "*</p>
<p>rhandco,</p>
<p>I’m not exactly sure what your S’s situation is, but I can tell you our experience was a matter of trade-offs and determining priorities. Not every school is beautiful, and not every school is 70 degree weather year round. It took us 18 months and a few offers before my son found the school and situation he wanted most. Was it 100% perfect, no. He would change the weather in a heart beat. So, there are most likely going to be compromises. My advice would be to compromise on the things that are not as important to him or you. For him it was all about engineering and baseball. He was willing to compromise on just about anything else. </p>
<p>Also, I’m on my third son going through this process. What parents think about a campus can be totally 180 degrees from what a son or daughter thinks. I’ve seen this play out many, many times. Beauty is in the eye of the recruit not the parent.</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
<p>Dan Stearns: No reason to bash Stanford’s engineering program, or deal with minutiae about whether all of their engineering programs are ABET-accredited or not.</p>
<p>And to correct you, a degree from an ABET accredited program is not required to become a licensed professional engineer (PE) in most states. More than 2/3 of the states will license an engineer who hasn’t gone through an ABET-accredited program, although the person usually needs at least two more years of on-the-job experience if their degree is not ABET-accredited: </p>
<p>[Alternate</a> Pathways to the PE: How States Vary in Their Engineering Education Licensure Requirements - PE Licensing](<a href=“http://community.nspe.org/blogs/licensing/archive/2010/01/04/table.aspx]Alternate”>http://community.nspe.org/blogs/licensing/archive/2010/01/04/table.aspx)</p>
<p>Most engineers in this country are not PE’s and wouldn’t benefit by becoming one. Engineers working in industry rarely need to be one. Those working with structures generally are those who benefit from being a PE.</p>
<p>I’ve been interviewing and evaluating people with technical degrees for executive positions for 15 years, and have seen successful people with no end of different types of degrees (engineering technology, industrial technology, physics, engineering management, etc.) working in engineering, engineering leadership and other positions where a technical background is helpful or necessary. And yes, some of them were PE’s. No employer has ever told me they wanted someone from an ABET-accredited program, but they do look at the school and the type of degree at times. The type of degree does become more significant at the entry level. However, although someone coming out of a non-ABET-accredited program at a school as strong as Stanford might have a few places that won’t hire them, the lack of ABET accreditation is not going to preclude a successful career by any means.</p>
<p>Go back to post 13 Boondocks. Not bashing Stanford at all, but a non-accredited engineering degree like Arch Design (Andrew Luck’s major), is decidedly less rigorous than an accredited EE, ME, ChemE or CE degree. The topic of the thread was the feasibility of being an engineering major while competing in college sports.</p>
<p>Not to hijack this to “PE or not PE”, but it seems an exaggeration to me, at least for Chem Es, Mech Es, and Civil Es, to say that a PE license doesn’t matter. Not only to job promotion and salary raises, but to be able to supervise a job site (great work if you can get it, especially if it is small) and seal blueprints, and then if you’re laid off get a job doing home inspection or expert witness work.</p>
<p>ABET-accredited did matter to Fortune 500 companies that interviewed at my college. </p>
<p>But back to the thread, it would be really wise for anyone in any major who plans to play sports in college, especially for a program that has a history of traveling overseas or across the US, to keep a light load and take summer or winter courses in-person or online. Even “soft” majors will have papers or projects, and things like art or music where you have to go to a design studio or work on a piece for weeks get very very difficult with a time commitment outside of academics.</p>
<p>The Ivy my son is targeting goes to California most years with their soccer team. Just one week long trip like that can make the difference between four courses and five substantial - engineering or not. Does make the D3 schools he is looking at appear more attractive, if he must go that way.</p>