<p>I was accepted in the college of engineering and would like to know how difficult it would be to double major in industrial engineering and philosophy. Would this be a huge undertaking or would it require extra time to complete? I know they are unrelated but thats what i'm interested in.</p>
<p>Also, how would this double major work out if I wanted to get a JD/MBA afterwards or go into investment banking?</p>
<p>Thanks in advance for any input.</p>
<p>I don't have anything constructive to say, but why in the world would you want to major in philosophy? Long story short: no one has any idea whatsoever why we exist, whether or not there is any kind of god, or whether any of our lives has any intrinsic meaning at all. And no one will ever figure it out, especially not by sitting back and thinking about it. </p>
<p>In my opinion, these are the only important things in the philosophical realm. However, the philosophy classes I've taken here didn't even go into those things - they focused mainly on trivial things like finding necessary and sufficient conditions for knowledge and coming up with models for causation. And in the end, no one could agree on either of those things (surprise, surprise). It was definitely a bit of a disappointment.</p>
<p>Anyway, done with my rant against philosophy. If you really want to double major, I'd guess that it would take you a year or so longer, since not many LSA classes overlap with engineering and you'd have to do the core LSA requirements that are unrelated to philosophy.</p>
<p>Actually that was very constructive (and also disappointing). I love learning about philosophy and thinking about that stuff but if they are going to teach it by the way you describe I don't think i would be interested. If it isn't an intellectual study I think i'd rather stick to engineering and possibly minor in history.</p>
<p>Well, if you really like the more technical aspects of philosophy, don't let me discourage you. I did only take a couple classes, and the class topics change pretty frequently I think. It's just that, in the end, besides teaching you to question views you might have about the world, philosophy can't really produce any answers. If you already realize that a lot of what we do and believe is based on unjustified assumptions and that no one can really know any fundamental truths about the world, it doesn't seem like there's much further you can go intellectually. </p>
<p>That said, don't take my word for it - you should definitely try some philosophy classes here and see whether or not you like them. You'll have to take a 300 level social science/humanities class anyway to fulfill the engineering distribution requirements, so you might as well.</p>
<p>Do a minor, dont do a major in philosophy, because you'll have to spend a lot of time fulfilling LSA distribution requirement. </p>
<p>You do need to finish your 300 level social science/humanities sequence so having a minor actually makes perfect sense. I am doing my minor in econ and all i need to do is take 2 more 400 level classes (which are pieces of cake btw, 401 and 402, count as my non-ioe technical elective btw which is AWESOME) and I am done, not to mention my classes in econ padded my gpa a lot (all A and A+s) vs my B, B+ and A-s from engineering courses.</p>
<p>Oh but if you are thinking about finance and investment banking, I'd suggest a minor in Econ instead of philosophy (assuming if you like it), Econ is very easy at Michigan, and half the stuff you learn in Econ you already learnt in IOE 201 and 202 and 310, but less mathematical. The biggest problems for Econ majors is the math (for 401 and 402) but you know the math as an engineer so you'll beat the curve really easily. 401 and 402 count towards the 18 credits of higher level technical elective you are supposed to take in IOE (or approved non-IOE courses) so it double counts.</p>
<p>These are the requirement for 400 classes</p>
<p>"** Technical Electives: Select at least 12 hours from IOE; at least one course must be from three of the following four groups:
A – IOE 440, 441, 447, 449
B – IOE 416, 460, 461, 465, 466
D – IOE 432, 434, 436, 437, 438, 439, 463
E – IOE 421, 422, 425, 452, 453
The remaining 6 hours may be selected from any 400 level IOE course listed above and / or from an approved list of non-IOE courses."</p>
<p>Therefore, you should specialize your IOE degree towards finance and operations modeling for your 400 level classes.
This includes:
IOE 425 (MFG 426). Manufacturing Strategies
IOE 440 (MFG 440). Operations Analysis and Management
IOE 452 (MFG 455). Corporate Finance
IOE 453 (MFG 456). Derivative Instruments
IOE 460. Decision Analysis
IOE 473. Decision Support Systems<br>
IOE 506 (Math 506). Stochastic Analysis for Finance
Econ 401 (count as IOE tech elective)
Econ 402 (count as IOE tech elective)</p>
<p>This is all the 400 level classes you need (a little more than 18 credits all specialized in business/finance) in addition to your senior project and simulation classes (required 400 level).. simulation is a pain in the butt btw.
check this out <a href="http://ioe.engin.umich.edu/degrees/ugrad/ugdocs/nonIOE_technical_electives.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://ioe.engin.umich.edu/degrees/ugrad/ugdocs/nonIOE_technical_electives.pdf</a></p>
<p>The rest of the classes should be taken in LSA or business school to pad your gpa as much as possible.</p>
<p>feel free to ask more questions about IOE lol btw and sorry for posting a super long post</p>
<p>Thanks for all of that. So it seems like minors are the better way to go. Would engineering with a double minor be possible in 4 years? Also, do minors actually look good to employers/grad schools or are they just for personal satisfaction. I'm sure they matter a little but is it a substantial positive on your resume?</p>