engineering+business?

<p>My goal is to become a boss (probably like CEO) of a high tech company.</p>

<p>Now that I'm in high school, I have to plan for my future education life.</p>

<p>In order to reach my goal, what type of major/degree should I get?</p>

<p>I'm pretty interested in EE, so I'm thinking about getting a BS in EE.</p>

<p>However, i'm not sure which is better; get a BS in EE, go to work, and then get an MBA, or get a BS and MEng in EE; go to work, and then get an MBA?</p>

<p>which type of combination is the best for a person who wants to turn from engineering to business?</p>

<p>thanks</p>

<p>yeah ... i am thinking of the same thing .... being a boss lol ... but i dont think i ll go on to graduate school in engineering ...
Also I think there are some courses where u can combine engineering or computer science with business ... if somebody has more info about that plz write here ....</p>

<p>Like I've said on other threads, if your goal is to advance to top management, then you probably don't want to work as an engineer. Instead, you probably want to work as a management consulting or, to a lesser extent, investment banker. That's not to say that you shouldn't get an engineering degree. But if the goal is to enter management, then you want to choose the career path that will get you there as fast as possible, and the truth is, engineering is not as fast as consulting/banking are. </p>

<p>Furthermore, I would point out that you don't need an engineering degree to run a high-tech company. Plenty of today's current high-tech CEO's do not have engineering backgrounds. Paul Otellini, CEO of Intel, is not an engineer. His undergrad is in economics, and he rose up from the ranks of marketing. John Chambers, CEO of Cisco, is a businessmen/salesmen, not an engineer. And of course people like Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, Steve Jobs, and Michael Dell never even graduated from college at all.</p>

<p>THanks for the precious advice, sakky</p>

<p>I guess either way works because a lot of the people got engineering degrees as well. Boss of Dell, Google, Yahoo, Apple...etc
I was considering engineering because before I enter management, I'd rather be an engineer instead of a banker or invester...
I want to climb up the ladder in a high tech company, and people have told me it helps with an engineering background.</p>

<p>So, what kind of combination is better?
double degree undergrad? double degree in grad? double in both? engineering in undergrad and grad? engineering in undergrad and management in grad?...etc? which seems the best in the field?</p>

<p>(PS, I have no problem working harder for a dual degree)</p>

<p>thanks to who replies~</p>

<p>sakky :
its true that one can enter the management of tech companies without an engineering degree.....but thats not wat we are discussing here ... the point is how one can combine an engineering degree with a business degree 2 make a killer combination....
I think Bill Gates and co. have become a cliche.... the "he dropped out of school but is a millionaire" cliche ... Bill Gates , no doubt, was smart but he was lucky too.... Someone had 2 be lucky and he was the right person at the right place.... Someone had 2 be Bill Gates ....
However , Mortal beings like us have 2 work thru our lives 2 get to a high management post ...</p>

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its true that one can enter the management of tech companies without an engineering degree.....but thats not wat we are discussing here ... the point is how one can combine an engineering degree with a business degree 2 make a killer combination....

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<p>Is that what we're really talking about? The OP's first question was "In order to reach my goal, what type of major/degree should I get?". It is THAT question that I am answering. I don't see anything inherent in that question that requires me to talk about combining an engineering + business degree. All of his other questions are less important than his first one, because my answer to his first question basically renders his other questions irrelevant. </p>

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sakky :
its true that one can enter the management of tech companies without an engineering degree.....but thats not wat we are discussing here ... the point is how one can combine an engineering degree with a business degree 2 make a killer combination....
I think Bill Gates and co. have become a cliche.... the "he dropped out of school but is a millionaire" cliche ... Bill Gates , no doubt, was smart but he was lucky too.... Someone had 2 be lucky and he was the right person at the right place.... Someone had 2 be Bill Gates ....
However , Mortal beings like us have 2 work thru our lives 2 get to a high management post ...

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<p>Did I recommend that he drop out like Bill Gates? I am just using Bill Gates as an example to show that business success actually doesn't depend as strongly on degrees as some people think it does. That doesn't mean that everybody should drop out. But it does mean that just because you have a degree in a certain subject doesn't mean that you actually have to get a job in that subject. For example, just because you have an engineering degree doesn't mean that you have to work as an engineer. </p>

<p>So, no, I am not saying that you should drop out. Obviously mere mortals have to work to get to the high management post. All I'm saying is that you should look at who actually runs the high tech companies of America and you will see that often times, it is not an engineer. </p>

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Boss of Dell, Google, Yahoo, Apple.

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<p>Uh, the boss of Dell does not have an engineering degree. Keep in mind that Michael Dell doesn't run Dell anymore. Dell is run by Kevin Rollins, a former consultant from Bain. He is not an engineer. </p>

<p>Yahoo is run by Terry Semel, a former Hollywood executive. He is not an engineer. His bachelor's degree is in accounting from Long Island University.</p>

<p>Apple is run by Steve Jobs, who, while technically savvy, not only never studied engineering in college, he never graduated from college at all. He dropped out of Reed after 1 semester.</p>

<p>That leaves Google - and, yes, I agree that Google is run by engineers. </p>

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I want to climb up the ladder in a high tech company, and people have told me it helps with an engineering background.

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<p>I agree that it helps. But my point is, it is not necessary. </p>

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So, what kind of combination is better?
double degree undergrad? double degree in grad? double in both? engineering in undergrad and grad? engineering in undergrad and management in grad?...etc? which seems the best in the field?

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<p>Personally, I find double-degrees/double-majors to be highly overrated, if what you mean by that is to get 2 degrees at the same time. The truth is, employers don't care about doubles. It's not really going to make you significantly more employable. The truth is, hiring is a highly arbitrary process where you will get or not get a job based on far more elusive qualities than how many degrees you have or what your academic background is. Whether you actually get hired or not is a decision usually based on how well you do on the interview, which generally comes down to a matter of personal charisma and 'schmooziness'. I've seen people who have, quite frankly, terrible academic backgrounds nevertheless get picked for jobs over people with stellar academics. Why? Because they have top-notch interview skills. </p>

<p>I personally believe that it is a far better use of time to take whatever time you would have spent in getting the 'double' and instead using it to develop your social skills, especially your public speaking skills and interview skills. I have heard the lament countless times from people who said that they should have spent less time on academics and more time working on their interview skills. </p>

<p>Hence, my advice is to pursue the undergrad degree that fits your personality better. Later in your career, you can consider getting the MBA. An engineering undergrad + MBA is a powerful combination. But a business undergrad + MBA can also be a powerful combination, depending on your work experience.</p>

<p>IC sakky, thank you very much.</p>

<p>I think I may have not mentioned clear enough the part that I am "interested" in engineering as well. So I guess I'll go with an EE undergrad and MBA after a few years of work.</p>

<p>What about the Cornell 6 year program? it's so fascinating!
6 years, you get BS, MEng, MBA...which doesn't spend you any extra year.
Some graduate schools gibe you Master of Engineering and MBA with 2 years as well; since it doesn't actually take you more time, do you think it would be worth it as well?</p>

<p>The trouble is I have double interest in engineering and business, but I know that going with engineering and then jumping to business is far easier than going with business and then switching to engineering, isn't it?
for me, "before going to management", I'd rather be an engineer than a investegater, IBanker..etc.</p>

<p>Thanks again!</p>

<p>Please give some more advice!</p>

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What about the Cornell 6 year program? it's so fascinating!
6 years, you get BS, MEng, MBA...which doesn't spend you any extra year.
Some graduate schools gibe you Master of Engineering and MBA with 2 years as well; since it doesn't actually take you more time, do you think it would be worth it as well?

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<p>The issue I have with the Cornell combined program is that I believe you're forced to commit to it before you can see what kind of job you can get. While the Johnson School is a fine MBA program, it's not a top one, and in particular, I wouldn't take the 6 year program if I could instead get a top-tier engineering job offer (i.e. working for Google). The problem is that the program seems to make you commit to it early (i.e. if you get in the program, you have to take it or turn it down) before you get the chance to really see what sort of job offers you could have gotten. And the truth is, if you're good enough to get into this program, you're probably also good enough to get a top-notch job. </p>

<p>If it is possible, I would recommend to try to get into the program but still also look for jobs. If a great job comes along, and you also get into the program, then you can turn the program down. </p>

<p>I'm also rather cool to the idea of doubling in engineering+business in grad school, because the simple fact is, nobody is going to care about it. Employers don't really care about the fact that you have 2 master's degrees. You are going to probably get the same job if you had just gotten the MBA. I used to think that getting dual-degrees was a great thing, but now I see that it really doesn't give you that much of an edge to justify the extra work you have to do for it. In other words, it's a pretty low yield activity. You may be better off taking that extra time you would have spend getting that second degree and instead using it to do more networking. </p>

<p>Clearly it depends on what you want. I can see that if you're going to manage an R&D lab or an operations division, then having that dual degree can come in handy. But if you're going to end up in, say, finance, or marketing, or strategy, then it really doesn't matter.</p>

<p>thanks^^
I think I'll want to end up managing a company, probably not just finance/marketing..etc. they seem to be a part of the company, but my goal is to get to a position that runs the whole company :)</p>

<p>does anyone else have any advices?</p>

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I think I'll want to end up managing a company, probably not just finance/marketing..etc. they seem to be a part of the company, but my goal is to get to a position that runs the whole company

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<p>That's what I'm talking about too, which is why you have to look at what are the common paths to getting to the top. And the truth is, at many companies, finance and sales/marketing are the ways to get to the top. A lot of high-tech companies are run by somebody who came from finance or sales/marketing who got promoted to the top position. Steve Ballmer, the CEO of Microsoft, has a background in marketing. So does Paul Otellini of Intel. John Chambers of Cisco rose up from the sales department. Terry Semel of Yahoo is basically a marketer. </p>

<p>Look, the point is not to dissuade from studying engineering. Far from it, in fact. I am simply pointing out that there are many ways to get to the top. Having an engineering background in no way guarantees that you will beat out somebody who doesn't. You can have an excellent engineering background and then nevertheless watch somebody who has no technical background whatsoever get promoted above you.</p>