<p>There is about a $25,000 difference per year between the two, and while parents are going to foot the bill, I have had 2 siblings go through college in-state and one will be going through medical school as I go through college, so it's still a good chunk of money for us. The drive from my hometown in Northern Virginia to Ann Arbor is over 13 hours, so to get home I'll need to often take a plane. My Mom is a Calculus teacher and is good at Math so having her able to help me through engineering would be nice and taking a plane just to get tutored wouldn't happen. I am currently enrolled in LAS and will need to talk to a Dean to switch in or transfer in later. I feel like Michigan being as large as it is, I would easily become a number in classes with hundreds of students while at UVA my classes wouldn't be much larger than 30 students and most of the time smaller. I have heard that there are weed out classes at U-Michigan in Engineering to eliminate the poor students, I am a very hard working student but don't want to weeded out because I am not the best. I would be going into a college where I knew no one, as opposed to at UVA where my brother is a senior in engineering and I have friends going there from my school. The huge factor that Michigan has in it's favor is that it is ranked much higher and is more respected in job placement according to what I have heard. I would very likely be able to get work experience in both places but I know that at UVA it is guaranteed and they are ranked as one of the best job placement colleges.</p>
<p>I realize that Virginia Tech is ranked higher than UVA but it presents the same student population question and the fact that it is largely made up of guys (60% guys-40% girls) while UVA has more girls to guys (57-43). I enjoy the atmosphere at UVA a little better than VT and they have a larger endowment. The other part is that UVA accepts better students on average than Virginia Tech with higher class ranking and higher SAT, so I don't want my hard work in high school to be wasted. </p>
<p>It's a real tough decision, any advice would be nice</p>
According to their respective common data set, about 31% of UVa’s classes are >30 students, compared to 30% at Michigan. 6% of UVa’s classes are >100, compared to 7% at Michigan. What makes you think that there is any difference?</p>
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How could your mom tutor you in engineering courses? And if you need tutoring in Calculus, you might want to reconsider whether engineering is right for you.</p>
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Why is it ‘guaranteed’? What I can ‘guarantee’ is that engineering recruiting is much better at Michigan.</p>
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This is the only valid reason in favor of UVa in your post. And it is sufficient. There is no way I would pay $100,000 more to attend Michigan. UVa is one of the best schools in the country with excellent programs in many areas, especially in humanities and social sciences … though engineering may not be one of its strengths.</p>
<p>I would, however, seriously reconsider about engineering. And if you are sure, VTech may be a better choice.</p>
<p>I would agree that Vtech is better for if you if you’re pursuing engineering. However, because you don’t like the environment there, perhaps you are better off at UVA. Like you said, Michigan is a great school, but it is difficult. However, if you work hard, you will succeed. Also, I would like to point out that environment at UVA and Michigan are pretty similar in its characteristics (class size, weeder courses) so I wouldn’t take this into account when choosing your final university to attend.</p>
<p>UVA has 1993 undergraduates compared to U-M having 5,270. Those stats for UVA would mostly be their political science and economics programs who enlist the most undergraduates. </p>
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<p>She could help me with the Math aspects of my engineering major considering she has taught Math including Calculus which is a requirement for the engineering major</p>
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<p>I’ve never heard weed out courses applied to UVA Engineering and have heard that Calculus and other large classes for engineering weed out students</p>
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<p>All students are guaranteed a co-op internship in engineering. </p>
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<p>What is VC or quant finance? (vector calculus? quantum finance lol)</p>
<p>“UVA has 1993 undergraduates compared to U-M having 5,270. Those stats for UVA would mostly be their political science and economics programs who enlist the most undergraduates.”</p>
<p>i like pie, First of all, according to the UVa website, UVa has 2,134 undergraduate Engineering students. As you pointed out, Michigan has indeed 5,270 undergraduate Engineering students. But you must also consider size of faculty. Michigan’s CoE has 338 full time professors. Virgnia’s CoE has 154 full time professors. </p>
<p>As you can see, even though Michigan does in fact have more Engineering students, it also has a larger faculty. I would not expect a much more intimate Engineering setting at UVa. </p>
<p>It seems you are trying to find an excuse to attend UVa. You have one, why look for others? The $100k you will save by attending UVa is cause enough don’t you think?</p>
Not true. Most of the large classes are intro courses, like Intro Phil, Intro Psyc, Intro Microecon, Intro Chem, Intro Phys, including engineering intro courses like Intro Programming, ETS, Intro ME, etc. For example, Chem 1610 has a capacity of 350 in each section; STS 1010 has a capacity of 240.</p>
<p>Don’t kid yourself, large intro classes are a norm at top research universities like UVa and Michigan. If you like a kinder and gentler environment, perhaps you should go to a LAC.</p>
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I’ve never heard of Calculus being a weed out course for engineers. If you are good at math (you should be if you wanna be in engineering), Calculus should be a cake walk. In fact, many engineering students place out of the first two Calculus course with AP credits.</p>
<p>As for ‘other large classes for engineering’, see section above.</p>
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Like I said, if you think you may need tutoring in Calculus, you might wanna reconsider majoring in something else.</p>
<p>If you need help in college, you are better off getting a study buddy, making use of office hours, joining study sessions … instead of running home to mom.</p>
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Really, including students struggling to maintain a low 2.0 GPA? Who would hire people like that? I found that hard to believe. Can you provide a link where UVa ‘guarantees’ co-op internship for all engineering students?</p>
<p>Michigan is excellent for engineering. However, UVA in state is a tough value to beat in case you want to explore other possibilities. You should check out Virginia Tech as well.</p>
<p>If I were you, I would check out Virginia Tech as well. As for UVA engineering, it’s not bad by any means. If you are committed to engineering and work hard, you will succeed whether you are going to Michigan, Virginia, or Virginia Tech. Michigan is better for engineering, there’s no question about that, but out of state tuition is up there, and you will have sufficient opportunities at the University of Virginia. </p>
<p>Visit both campuses as well, don’t contain the decision to just academics. I know academic opportunities and quality should be the top factor, but you should definitely get a feel for both Charlottesville and Ann Arbor. It really does make a huge difference.</p>