essay question

<p>D has completed common app and essay and is ready to send off to NEU. We just visited on Friday for the Women in Engineering day and one thing that I felt at least one of the speakers stressed was to show interest in NEU.
Now unless you write your essay on "why I want to attend NEU", can anyone help me out on how a student can show interest? We have visited campus twice, have had several email dialogues with various departments, and have already submitted the early application supplement which is not due until Nov. 15th. </p>

<p>The thing is DD really got interested in NEU just recently and now it is definitely her first choice. I don't think acceptance will be an issue, but she is looking for some serious merit aid, as the need based financial aid situation is bleak. We have always had an understanding that we will help fund the college years for our kids within reason - which basically means we are looking for the best school possible with the most merit aid. </p>

<p>Any advice would be welcome.</p>

<p>what you have already done is more than sufficient to show interest...</p>

<p>I agree--I think the big thing is that they want to know that this is not just a safety for your daughter. They are trying to increase their rankings and raise their stats and still have a reputation as a safety for top students, so obviously if they accept your D they want a certain level of assurance that you are seriously considering it. The fact that you are not in Mass may help there too. My S actually did very little to show interest other than a few general interest emails, but like ebeeee's S also had his geographic location going for him along with high stats. Since your D is looking at engineering, being female should help her as much if not more than interest. Another thing if you have followed other threads is that you can be careful when listing other schools applying to, so that it does not appear that this is just a safety...</p>

<p>If you apply for that NCCE scholarship, it might not hurt to address the "why NEU/why co-op?" thing in the essay required for that. I believe NCCE's offices are actually located at Northeastern - who knows if they get wind of those applicants in admissions too??</p>

<p>Actually they told us being female applying to engineering is not an edge, as the population at NEU on the whole is 52%. </p>

<p>And what is the NCCE you refer to?</p>

<p>I was referring to an outside scholarship that is offered by the National Commission for Cooperative Education (NCCE). It's a $5000 renewable scholarship available for students who plan to attend about a dozen strong co-op schools. I believe it requires either a 3.0 or 3.5 GPA. Info about NCCE, the different member schools and the scholarship application form can be found on their website:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.co-op.edu/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.co-op.edu/&lt;/a> </p>

<p>Good luck!</p>

<p>Thank you scansmom. I did not know about this.</p>

<p>PG, similar issue here. NEU is my son's top (or maybe top2) choice, but it looks like a safety. He wants to let them know that he really wants to go there, and I will feel much better about sending him there if we get a significant discount!</p>

<p>NJres, is your son looking at engineering? And is he applying early? I think that really shows interest.</p>

<p>I've also had some replies on another thread about merit scholarships - seems they give more merit to students not accepted to the honors program. Not sure why.</p>

<p>He is applying EA, but not engineering. That merit aid discrepancy is hard to rationalize. All I can come up with is that the honors college (and housing) is such a perk in itself they don't feel the need to pile on $$ incentive as well? Still doesn't quite add up to me.</p>

<p>NJres, I don't get it either. Some posters have stated that they feel that NEU is careful in the distribution of their merit aid to those that they feel will attend. Apparently, many use NEU as a safety school, and some posters seem to feel that NEU does not seem to be luring them in, overall, with merit aid. I don't know if this is at all accurate. They were very generous with my son, and NEU was a match school for him, IMO.</p>

<p>How do they determine if one is using the school as a safety, strictly by the other schools they are applying to? For instance, D is applying to Cornell, as a reach, mainly to see if she can get in, but would really prefer to be in Boston and likes the the co-op at NEU, so although academically it might be considered a slight safety, right now it is really her first choice.</p>

<p>Rated PG, if she hasn't already sent in the app I would not list Cornell. I think it will trigger the safety thing. For DS, NEU was a safety but the other schools he applied to, UCLA, UCI, GWU, BU were all only slightly above (UCI not above) and I know geography and the fact that UCLA and UCI would be considerably cheaper probably helped with the merit money. If she really is interested in NEU but she puts down Cornell, they may interpret that NEU is her safety.</p>

<p>"Some posters have stated that they feel that NEU is careful in the distribution of their merit aid to those that they feel will attend."</p>

<p>This would include me and I do continue to believe this although still pretty clueless about how it all works. But the more I learn about enrollment management the more convinced I am that each financial aid package, including merit aid, is individually tailored depending on the applicant and the assumptions that can be made about that individual during the application process (even though I can't specifically identify how this is done). Colleges, like any other business that uses marketing research, can make many assumptions about people that I cannot even imagine but certainly they have methods to determine income level of the applicant, the likelihood of their attending (and I suspect, also the likelihood of attending if accepted in Honors), etc., just from their application and without looking at actual financial aid applications, and they can very effectively use this information to their benefit, to get the best pool they can, at the least cost.</p>

<p>I was told by the financial aid office that my S's overall package was basically the top amount they could offer and he is not in the Honors program (aren't financial aid packages somewhere in the upper 60% percentile of cost?); this includes $11,000 merit, $6000 grant, plus Perkins and Stafford loans. Obviously, they looked at many factors to come up with their initial offer, SATs, geography, high school and hs record, other schools he applied to (I am pretty sure he had listed them--I hadn't discovered CC at that point in time and was still pretty naive about all of this! And at that time he wasn't even looking outside our state (Minn) so NEU would not have known for sure if he was applying to any of their competitors). </p>

<p>When I think about it, how many times have I filled out a market survey which lists my income level? I expect schools can get their hands on that info fairly easily...so, if they made certain assumptions about what income level we were at by where we lived, hs school attended etc, they can then predict what grant/loan amounts we would probably be offered, and then come up with a merit award that together would attract an applicant like him who would also help them increase their rankings since SATs were above the engineering school average. </p>

<p>Had he made it into Honors, would he have been offered less merit aid, and if less would we still have accepted? And would Honors housing have made a difference? Not really sure what we would have done...and not really sure that Honors v non-Honors is even a factor for the school, but obviously someone with an income a few thousand higher than me would look at a package a few thousand less than S's a lot differently (I know I would), so a school could realistically offer lesser amounts to SOME Honors applicants and the same assumptions about probability of acceptance would still hold true. It could even be that decisions about merit aid are made without considering Honors program status... </p>

<p>Also, NEU probably has very realistic expectations as far as their strategic plan goes and how they want to go about luring in top students. I think many still use NEU as a safety but perhaps unrealistically, based on its reputation in the past (eg 1990s) when it was a commuter/safety school, and so applicants may be overlooking their rapid increase in rankings over just the past 5 yrs (partner in my firm went to NEU years ago for undergrad and when I asked him his opinion about the school he laughed and advised against it). In order to increase your rankings wouldn't it be more effective to try to draw more matches so increased rankings are real/across the board, rather than focusing only on Honors students unless they were also willing to offer something like at Ariz State Univ, for example which has a very strong and large Honors College (as opposed to program) and can offer full-rides for NMFs etc but overall stats for the rest of the school are still quite low, although on par with similar state schools.) NEU being a smaller private school would need to use a very different strategy to improve overall and unfortunately I don't think that is necessarily the most to the brightest.</p>

<p>Schools often use housing as a tuition discount device although I'm not really sure that Honors housing makes a big difference in NEU's merit aid offers, I think that is more a draw (same as having an Honors program is a draw in and of itself) to compete with similar schools - esp since similar housing is available after the first year (another draw). But then again, for many people it may be a big enough perk, all other things being equal.</p>

<p>JMO, of course and would love to hear from others on this topic.</p>

<p>Unfortunately we already submitted the supplement which is where they ask about other schools. We did it early in order to get our ID which is supposed to accompany the recs, transcripts, etc. Uggh</p>

<p>scansmom, I happen to agree with most of what you wrote. </p>

<p>Rated PG, I really don't think that saying one is going to apply to Cornell is going to make much a difference, but this is just my opinion. My reasoning is that if the stats are there for the Ivys, then the chances are lower of one gettting a great financial/merit package anyway(read scanmom's comments). I am sure some students with these stats do get very good offers from NEU too, but it looks like they are reserving more of these packages for their match students (based on info posters have written on cc). If they see some weaknesses in the student's profile, then I think that NEU will feel that they have a decent chance of getting that student to attend (with a nice lure). If the SATs are good, but not stellar (ie: 1250-1350-old), yet above NEU's average by a comfortable margin, they can increase their rankings if that student attends. As an example, perhaps the student with a 1350+ (old), but a few Cs to blemish that A/B transcript might be a good candidate for them because without hooks, they will be less likely to get into Cornell. A student who gets into Cornell, I think, is going to be much less likely to attend NEU, than a student who has stats that are going to get him/her into NEU, and schools with a similar ranking. JMO. I think this will be true, if Cornell is listed, or not listed.</p>

<p>I see what you are saying northeast mom. I guess I haven't been on these boards long enough to get all the nuances. And there are many factors that I don't think are being taken into consideration by the adcoms, if what is being said here is true. For instance, just because someone's stats might be ivy material, there are other things, such as location and co-op in NEU's case, that are important as well, not to mention that a student with no demonstrated financial need very likely could be attracted to a school like NEU who gives merit aid, vs. an ivy that gives none.</p>

<p>scansmom and northeastmom..you might be right. I certainly wouldn't stress over listing Cornell. In the end, we don't really know all the nuances..and sometimes I think it's like when I call good old Cingular...if I don't like the first answer I get, I call back and talk to someone else and the answer changes..not that the schools are that capricious but each adcom is going to have a different take on it..and before I get blasted, yes I know that many schools review by committee. I'm just saying that we can't really know all the factors that go into these accept/reject/merit/no merit decisions.</p>

<p>ebeeeee, exactly right, and some of the high stat students are getting those awards too. It is just important, IMO, to note that a match applicant had a very good chance a merit award (fairly generous too) last year. Of course, just because this was true last year, does not make it true for this upcoming group of applicants. This point has also been made several times on cc. Agendas and missions of the schools can change, and so can the way merit and financial awards are distributed.</p>

<p>RatedPG, I think that you are correct too. It is just that on cc the reports of posters have indicated to me that the highest stat applicant is not the one that received the highest merit award.</p>

<p>Thanks all. I see what is being said here, and the bottom line is there really is nothing we could do or could have done to change the way it is. D's stats are her stats, and she happens to love NEU - we'll just hope for the best.</p>

<p>Exactly. The outcome will be the outcome, and you could be pleasantly surprised. My son had a favorite school, but he got less of a merit scholarship than some kids who lived a little futher away (even though one of them actually used to live around the corner, and still has family in the area). My son chose to go elsewhere, but he rationalized it in his mind. The school he ultimately chose had different strengths from the school that was his favorite for months. He is very comfotable with his decision, and he never looked back.</p>

<p>RatedPG, I wish your D lots of luck, regardless of the school she decides to attend.</p>