<p>“Asian students are OVEREPRESENTED at top colleges, so on the whole you do not have a “lesser chance” of admissions viz a via the general population. You have a better chance”</p>
<p>…means if you use only race in a study of who goes to top colleges, or just college for that matter, your chances of being Asian are far greater than your chances of being a URM.</p>
<p>Similarly, and this is what makes me even sadder ( but not madder) than “ORM’s”, if you look in a newborn nursery, and try to predict who will go to college and who won’t, the chances are MUCH greater if you are Asian.</p>
<p>OTOH, if you ONLY look at 12 graders who have actually applied, in that tiny slice of life, you may be likely to see higher odds for the individual URM applicant with the same or “less qualified” stats applying to top 50 schools.</p>
<p>Again, the sad (to me; happy for you) part is, that very, very, very few URM’s, or at least black students, apply for these schools. I would guess less than .1 percent of black 18 year olds apply.</p>
<p>Feel free to have a discourse on whose “fault” that is.</p>
<p>In a room of 100 babies, 20 of them black, I bet not one black baby will apply to Bowdoin. So the Asian baby has a better shot, IF Asian kids are more likely to go to college and apply to Bowdoin. Isn’t that an LAC? </p>
<p>Yes, URM’s have a greater chance to get in! And yes, it is very unfair!
But guess what?
B!tching about it on CC is not going to change a thing! So why bother?</p>
<p>@Shrinkrap: The points you stated are sad to me, too–it definitely is not happy for me, speaking as an Asian-American. I don’t believe in the unfairness of URMs’ better chances of getting into college since I have my own theories about the implications of being an Asian applicant. In short, LesleyCordero is right; OP is a ■■■■■ and this thread is just pointless and depressing.</p>
<p>I wish the radical liberals at AA colleges would just use their common sense and acknowledge that Asians typically value higher education more than other races. Thus, they try harder to get that 2400 and 4.0.</p>
<p>Affirmative Action is racist in that it assumes that an URM can’t do well on the SAT based on his or her natural academic affinity. If he or she scores 2200 or higher, then, according to AA, they must be the reincarnation of Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>The other day I was reading another thread about affirmative action and found the following post, which I really admire and wholeheartedly agree with:</p>
<p>Because now all Asians are rich and all URMs are poor. Obviously a universal truth, despite the fact that I’m definitely not rich and one of the richest girls at my school is black.</p>
<p>I am sick and tired of threads like this! YES threads from bitter Asians who blame their rejection on URMs. I know several African Americans students with 2300+ from my school- all of them were rejected from Stanford. The valedictorian of my school, African American, 4.0 GPA, 2350 SAT, good ECs got rejected from Stanford. Do not blame your rejection on other people. In fact, you deserve to be rejected at ALL top schools PLUS your safeties just because of your stereotypical, racist, post.</p>
<p>Somebody’s decided to bring Bowdoin into this? K, honey, don’t worry I’ll help ya.</p>
<p>FYI, nobody gets into Bowdoin with a 3.3 Unless you’re a nasty soccer player from Phillips Andover, it’s not happening. EVERY minority I know about Bowdoin was top of their class. I’m hispanic, had a very good SAT score, was 7th in a class of 450, and my guidance counselor wanted me to apply to Harvard but I didn’t listen because I loved Bowdoin. Stop with the stereotypes. I have a 3.75 and am in the top 20% of my class at Bowdoin. And my dearies, I am pre-med. </p>
<p>and FYI to all the ignoramuses, holistic admissions doesn’t just help out minorities, it helps out everyone. A white boy from my school with a 2000 something got into Bowdoin while the boring, shy, awkward girl with a 2300+ was wait-listed. Asian people with lower scores are sometimes preferred to asians with higher scores as well. That’s the way it happens. </p>
<p>Not changing soon, so complaining about it isn’t going to do anything Oh so sad. Deal.</p>
<p>African-American male, 3.90 UW GPA, 2340 SAT, 34 ACT without writing - 35 ACT with writing, 800 Physics SAT II - 800 Math 2 SAT II - 710 US History SAT II.
Applied to the 8 Ivies, Stanford, and MIT.
Rejected by all except MIT.</p>
<p>Moral of this story: Shizz happens. /thread.</p>
<p>(P.s. Don’t think I’m a total creeper for knowing all of this, lol. I asked him one day in band class.)</p>
<p>Oh, and lolololol @ mrlaurencenguyen for insinuating that only ‘radical liberals’ support Affirmative Action.</p>
<p>Should be based on income not race. Most Asians are rich and would still fall in the competitive category. But for the few asians who aren’t things would be a whole lot easier.</p>
<p>I never said that only radical liberals support AA. But it is common knowledge that most of the faculty at colleges are liberals. That doesn’t mean that they all support AA. The ones that do, however, are radical liberals who think they’re advancing racial equality when they’re in fact doing the opposite.</p>
<p>I agree with whoever said holistic admissions helps everyone. Sure, there are many Asians with high GPAs and 15 AP tests and high SAT scores. Yet, at what cost were these credentials achieved? In many cases, at the expense of personality. If you have a n interesting personality, being Asian will help you stand out from those blandies. If you’re Asian and you got rejected it’s no one’s fault but your own for failing to stand out from the crowd.</p>
<p>Race should have nothing to do with holistic reviews. Applicants shouldn’t even have to label their race; if they truly feel that their ethnicity should be considered by the adcoms, they should write their essay about it. If they don’t, then they should write about something else. If you don’t believe your race matters when it comes to academic success, why should the adcoms?</p>
<p>Example: Applicant A is Asian and has a passion for golf. Applicant B is black and has a passion for the piano. Neither care about their ethnicity; they just love doing what they do. Applicant A writes his essay about golf, and Applicant B writes hers about playing the piano. Whoever writes the better essay should be accepted (assuming they have similar stats).</p>
<p>Applicant C, on the other hand, is Hispanic. He does not specify his race on the application, but feels that he can bring something new to the college atmosphere through his culture. He takes it upon himself to write about his cultural diversity, because he feels that it is important. NOT because the college asked whether or not he was an URM.</p>
<p>I agree with whoever said holistic admissions helps everyone. Sure, there are many Asians with high GPAs and 15 AP tests and high SAT scores. Yet, at what cost were these credentials achieved? In many cases, at the expense of personality.</p>
<p>What are you talking about?
You do not have to sacrifice anything to achieve high academic credentials.
Are you saying that high achieving Asian = nothing interesting?</p>
<p>LaChicaBuena, chrome16
Do you agree with BigAppleDaddy?
Do you think Asians have easier time in top college admissions?</p>
Oh so sad. Deal.</p>