FA Doubts - scholarships,etc..

<p>Hi!</p>

<p>What is a presidential scholarship? It's listed on some Public U websites, and it says something about removing the OOS extra fees. How does one qualify for this aid? Does it apply for international students?</p>

<p>What are some other types of aid you can receive at a Public U - for international students?</p>

<p>What are the chances of getting need-based aid from Private colleges? Do colleges use the amount of FA you are asking for while determining whether they will admit you?</p>

<p>Thanks!</p>

<p>Each school has its own definition for Presidential Scholarships (sometimes these have other names as well).</p>

<p>1) Some award to int’ls, many do not.</p>

<p>2) Some are for full tuition, some are for less.</p>

<p>3) Some award them to every student with certain stats, some have competitive awards.</p>

<p>The University of Alabama is the only school that I know of that will award a full tuition Presidential Scholarship to any int’l who has met the reqt’s…an ACT 32+ (or M+CR SAT 1400+), 3.5+ GPA, and must be accepted by Dec 1st.</p>

<p>Publics don’t generally give other types of aid to int’ls.</p>

<p>As for privates, many don’t give aid to int’ls either. However, some do. A few meet need, and some give a little.</p>

<p>You don’t get to ask for a certain amount. You have to provide all family income and asset info and then the SCHOOL decides if you have need. And, yes, many of the schools that give need-based aid to int’ls are “need aware” when deciding whether to accept.</p>

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<p>OK. Understood.</p>

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<p>How important is FA need to these colleges, when they decide whether to accept an international student?</p>

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And, yes, many of the schools that give need-based aid to int’ls are “need aware” when deciding whether to accept.</p>

<p>How important is FA need to these colleges, when they decide whether to accept an international student?*</p>

<p>It’s hard to say. Each school may have a different philosophy. Some may not want to go thru all the hoops of determining whether an int’l who presents himself as low-income/assets is really being upfront. Some may not have much aid to give or have budget constraints, and want full-pay int’ls to help provide cash to their budgets. Some may feel a greater committment to helping domestic students. Some will be willing to accept an int’l with little need over a similar stats int’l with lots of need.</p>

<p>Schools that are need-aware for int’ls have their reasons…the reasons might all be different.</p>

<p>Hi!</p>

<p>@mom2collegekids - </p>

<p>I see.</p>

<p>I have a draft(list) of colleges. Any ideas?</p>

<p>Princeton U
Purdue U
UT Arlington/Austin/Dallas ( haven’t decided - thoughts? )</p>

<p>Any recommendations - add/delete?</p>

<p>Thanks!</p>

<p>You need to ask each college what their current polices are for international students. Do they accept Internationals on a need blind basis? DO they give financial aid to International students? DO they meet full need to international students they accept? Are there any merit awards they offer for which international students qualify?</p>

<p>Princeton is need blind and meets full need for international students, but the accept rate for ANY student makes it a lottery ticket for anyone. I believe, both other schools are need blind in admissions, but neither meet full need for anyone as a guarantee. You will have to check as to whether international students are even considered for financial aid and merit awards at those two schools. </p>

<p>Very few schools are need blind and guarantee to meet full need to ANY student, and those that do, tend to be very selective. Most schools that are not at all selective tend to be need blind but don’t tend to meet anyone’s need fully, except in very rare cases. Being an international student limits you even more in terms of getting need/merit money and in some cases, even acceptance.</p>

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<p>Thanks! Can you recommend any other colleges/for me to research?</p>

<p>Also, is it acceptable to simply email an adcom counselor about FA and international students admission policies and aid offered at my target colleges?</p>

<p>Also, if anyone could give me some ideas on how to improve my profile/resume, I’d appreciate it. :)</p>

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<p>Though my college app list has changed a bit.</p>

<p>Purdue doesn’t give any money to int’ls. See below…</p>

<p>*Only domestic students are eligible for the scholarships described above. Domestic students include U.S. citizens, U.S. nationals, permanent resident aliens, and aliens lawfully present in and able to establish domicile in the United States per<em>federal immigration laws. International students who hold F, J, and some other visa types are not eligible.</em></p>

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<p>I don’t think UTexas gives money to incoming int’ls. Are you engineering?</p>

<p>*University of Texas, The Cockrell School<em>does not offer scholarships to</em>incoming international undergraduates.**</p>

<p>You have to check the details to find out if the awards will go to int’ls. .</p>

<p>You have to go down a bit in rank to find schools that award large merit to int’ls.</p>

<p>Alabama awards merit to int’ls who are accepted by Dec 1st.</p>

<p>How much merit do you need? How much will your family pay?</p>

<p>Hi!</p>

<p>@mom2collegekids-</p>

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<p>Can you recommend any such colleges for a major in engineering? I would really appreciate it :)</p>

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<p>I can pay a maximum of 20,000$ a year. And, that’s if the college is really good. Otherwise, less. That’s why I’d like to keep some inexpensive colleges, with good programs and education as backups. Any recommendations?</p>

<p>arvindch -</p>

<p>You can use any of the college matching search engines to look for universities that offer your major, and then modify the search terms a bit to find ones that would be affordable without any aid, and those that would only be affordable with aid but do offer it for international students. Most search engines only allow you to search based on total tuition and fees, so you should set that at $10,000 leaving you another $10,000 for housing, meals, books, etc. Once you do find some places that look like they could work, check out the estimated Cost of Attendance for International Students. Here are the results for one search for places with Engineering that have some money for internationals: <a href=“https://bigfuture.collegeboard.org/college-search[/url]”>https://bigfuture.collegeboard.org/college-search&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Costs change and whether or not financial aid is offered to international students change from year to year, so you really do have to do this research yourself. Any advice we can give you will be out of date as soon as we type it here. One resource worth checking out is [EducationUSA</a> | Study Abroad, Student Visa, University Fairs, College Applications and Study in the U.S. / America](<a href=“http://educationusa.state.gov/]EducationUSA”>http://educationusa.state.gov/) There are several advising centers in India. Contact the counselors at the advising center closest to you, and get some help from them with this. They will be able to tell you which colleges and universities here have admitted students like you in the past few years, and whether or not those students received the aid that they needed. [EducationUSA</a> - Find an Advising Center](<a href=“India | EducationUSA”>India | EducationUSA)</p>

<p>One of the experts on finding financial aid for internationals is b@r!um who often posts in the International Student Forum. She has written about researching 300 (yes, that is three hundred) colleges and universities in order to find the ones that would be most likely to admit her and offer the financial aid that she needed. Do not be surprised it you have do to something like that yourself.</p>

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<p>Thanks.Yeah, I’ll get in touch with her.</p>

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<p>I didn’t get very good results last time I used that, or so I think.
Also, the link you sent seems to be to the generic search page, and not the custom search you ran. Do you still have the search link?</p>

<p>Thanks!</p>

<p>The College Board has recently modified that search engine, so the links may not be as durable as they used to be. On the left-hand side of the page are the factors that you can search with. Play with it a bit and you will be able to figure it out.</p>

<p>Good luck!</p>

<p>I tried the Search function out.</p>

<p>One of its biggest limitations is that the COA that it estimates is for US residents. IT has an option to filter for those offering internationals FA. However, it does not use that any further. :frowning: Any ideas?</p>

<p>After you have a basic list, go to the individual schools’ websites and look up the information.</p>

<p>I understand; however, I would probably just go for the big names, and those would probably offer less FA; that’s why I want some exposure to some good lesser known school.</p>

<p>How much merit do you need? How much will your family pay?</p>

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<p>I can pay a maximum of 20,000$ a year. And, that’s if the college is really good. Otherwise, less. That’s why I’d like to keep some inexpensive colleges, with good programs and education as backups. Any recommendations?</p>

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<p>Well, I can tell you this… Even is you were to get a full tuition scholarship at a lesser known school, your family would still be required to show funds for and pay room, board, fees, personal expenses, local travel and int’l travel costs…so about $20,000 per year. You won’t be given a visa unless your family will pay and show funds.</p>

<p>As for schools with engineering that are lesser known to you and will/may give merit scholarships to int’ls:</p>

<p>LSU (not sure of the amount).
Alabama (free tuition plus 2500 for strong scores…see website for details)
UAHuntsville
Miss St (check website for details, not sure if they give to int’ls.)</p>

<p>Keep in mind that the top schools that you apply to that do give money to int’ls will be the ones to decide how much your family should pay. They may decide that your family should pay $30k, $40k, or all costs…even if you can only pay up to $20k.</p>

<p>What are your test scores and GPA?</p>

<p>@mom2collegekids -</p>

<p>I have a 4.8+ GPA and my sample SAT 1 test scores are 2250+.(though I’ve only written 3)</p>

<p>When will you be taking the SAT???</p>

<p>@mom2collegekids -</p>

<p>May 5th. So this is probably my last day on CC before that. I need to go into extreme study mode and lose any distractions. :)</p>