<p>Schedule</a> of Classes - Fall 2008: Office of the Registrar: Indiana University Bloomington</p>
<p>Thanks bthomp1--now we can help our students (children) start preparing next semester's class schedule.</p>
<p>Ditto. Thanks for the heads up!</p>
<p>I’m so frustrated! I wrote this entire post twice only to have it erased saying I wasn’t signed in which I had –twice. I now writing this on Word so I have a copy.
I am hoping Calcruzer, A2Wolves, and others might be able to give us some advice. My son is home for break and we’re planning to spend time planning his Fall schedule. He is hoping to get into either Kelley (for Management) or the Sports Management program. For the past two semesters, he has given his advisor a schedule we have worked out and she approved it but has given little further direction. I know that some info she did give him was wrong (that he did not need A100 for SM) and told him SM would be much easier to get into—is it? While I can see the prereqs and curriculum is likely less demanding, if there are only 40 spots, the competition must be great. Are athletes given priority? What really determines admission? How many apply?
My S had an excellent 1st semester (3.86) but he completed only two business classes (X100 and X 104). This semester he is taking W131 (Eng), M118 (Finite), Al00, P211 (Sports Mgt), and a stress mgt course. He dropped K201 and will need to take it again in the fall so he won’t apply to Kelley until then. He plans to take two courses at a local college over the summer (A201 and M119) and transfer them. My thought is that, in the Fall, he should take business classes he is likely to do well in and needs but save the 1st econ course and A202 until Spring. I think he needs the grades for admission but can afford a C or two (eg accounting, econ) after admission – if that happens. He always struggles with math and I think he may not do better there. So far classes being considered for fall are:
K 201 must take
L 201 Legal Env in Bus
X 220 Career Persp
G 202 Bus & Econ Strat
X 204 Bus Comm
X201 Technology</p>
<p>Should he take virtually all business courses right now or continue to take some (although less than he has) distribution courses. I think there are plenty of those he could do well in. He can’t dink around too much. With OSS tuition we’d really like to have him finish in 4 years.</p>
<p>Any advice or experience is appreciated.</p>
<p>I don't think your son will need K201 next semester (if putting off taking it until the Spring semester would help in some way) to get into Kelley, since he will have taken M118, M119, and X100.</p>
<p>Completed three or more of the following admissions courses:</p>
<pre><code>* MATH-M 118 Finite Mathematics
* MATH-M 119 Brief Survey of Calculus
* BUS-K 201 The Computer in Business
* BUS-X 100 Introduction to Business Administration OR BUS-G 100 Business in the Information Age (only one of these courses can serve as an admission course, and you may only get credit for one)
</code></pre>
<p>Unfortunately, I think he will as they count 3/4 best grades and M119 will transfer credit but not grade. I will suggest that he call the business school and clarify this though. In K201, if he can get a really good lab instructor and since he's already been exposed to it, I think he can do fine. Since instructors aren't posted until after registration, it seems like a crap shoot. I was going to suggest that he e-mail several profs and ask them to give him their schedule for that class. Do you think they know their own schedule yet?</p>
<p>Some of the classes you listed your son as considering for Fall 2008 he won't be able to take unless he does the prerequisites first. These are</p>
<p>G202 Bus & Econ Strat (pre-req is E201)
X201 Technology (pre-req is K201)</p>
<p>If he doesn't have all the I-core pre-reqs completed prior to Fall 2009, then he may have to take I-core in Spring 2010, which might set his four-year to graduate plan in business in doubt. It probably depends on his major in business whether delaying I-core until Spring 2010 will hamper graduating in four years, as some majors (especially accounting and finance) have a lot of mandatory junior- and senior-year classes with pre-reqs.</p>
<p>E370 Statistical Analysis for Business and Economics is another I-core pre-req that requires E201 as a pre-req.</p>
<p>If shooting for I-core in Fall 2009 he could take:</p>
<p>Summer 2008:
BUS A201
ECON E201</p>
<p>Fall 2008
BUS X220
BUS X204
BUS K201
BUS G202
MATH M119</p>
<p>Spring 2009
BUS X201 (P: K201)
BUS L201
ECON E370 (P: M118, E201. Recommended: E202, M119)</p>
<p>Summer 2009
BUS A202
ECON E202 (not an I-core pre-req, but needed to graduate from Kelley)</p>
<p>This schedule would give you all the courses needed to take I-Core in Fall 2009. Taking the above classes in summer sessions would give him time to focus on two difficult classes without having other classes to worry about. Don't know if they are available at his community college but the two sophomore accounting classes and micro and macro are about the highest level Ivy Tech system classes that can be transfered to Kelley, and probably most community colleges offer these courses.</p>
<p>He might be wary of taking M119 at IU but X220 (2 cr hrs, only meets eight weeks), X204 (fairly easy grading), and G202 (only 2 credit hours) are relatively undemanding courses and K201 he has already been introduced to, so he could probably get through M119 in the same semester he is taking these courses. Taking M119 the semester before taking E370 would also help prepare him for E370, which is supposed to be a difficult class.</p>
<p>And of course he should check with Kelley in advance about transferring the community college course credits.</p>
<p>Let me summarize the Business School requirements:</p>
<p>Here is the weblink that gives you the Business Undergraduate Bulletin that lists all the requirements:
Kelley</a> School of Business Undergraduate 2006-2008 Online Bulletin: Undergraduate Program</p>
<p>To get into the I-Core program, you’ll need to take the “Foundation” courses.
They can be found here: Foundation</a> Courses: Curriculum: Academics: Undergraduate Program: Kelley School of Business: Indiana University Bloomington</p>
<p>They are:</p>
<ol>
<li> ENG-W 131 Elementary Composition (3 units)</li>
<li> BUS-X 104 Business Presentations or CMCL-C 121 Public Speaking (3 units)</li>
<li> BUS-X 204 Business Communications (3 units) (Prerequisite: ENG-W 131) </li>
<li> MATH-M 118 Finite Mathematics (3 units)</li>
<li> MATH-M 119 Brief Survey of Calculus (3 units)</li>
<li> BUS-K 201 The Computer in Business (3 units)</li>
<li> BUS-X 201 Technology (Prerequisite: BUS-K 201) (3 units)</li>
<li> BUS-X 220 Career Perspectives (2 units)</li>
<li> BUS-A 100 Basic Accounting Skills (1 unit)</li>
<li>BUS-A 201 Intro to Financial Accounting (3 units) (Prerequisite: BUS-A 100)</li>
<li>BUS-A 202 Intro to Managerial Accounting (3 units) (Prerequisite: BUS-A 100)</li>
<li>BUS-L 201 Legal Environment of Business (3 units) (Prerequisite: Sophomore Standing)</li>
<li>ECON-E 201 Intro to Microeconomics (3 units)</li>
<li>ECON-E 370 Statistical Analysis (3 units) (P: BUS-E 201 and MATH-M 118) or MATH-K 310</li>
<li>BUS-G 202 Corporate Social Strategy (formerly called Business and Economic Strategy in Public Arena) (2 units)</li>
</ol>
<p>ECON-E 202 Intro to Macroeconomics (3 units) is highly recommended (but not required) </p>
<p>Also notice that BUS-X 100 Intro to Management (3 units) is not listed above, but is a required course also (or BUS-G 100) and your son is required to take BUS-X 230 Career Perspectives Lab (a zero unit course) at the same time as BUS-X 220. Since I’ve listed 15 courses here, plus ECON-E 202, plus BUS-X 100, that means there are17 courses total to be taken before I-Core can be taken (not counting BUS-X230—which I won’t count since it is just a one hour lab worth zero units)—Is this confusing?—yes, I know it is.</p>
<p>As you already know, courses #1, #2, #4, and #5 above plus the Intro to Management course need to be taken first, since those are the ones you have to take to get into the Kelley Business School.</p>
<p>Also notice which courses are the prerequisites for which other courses, since you son will need to take those first. </p>
<p>By the end of the summer, your son will hopefully have the following courses completed:
1. BUS-X 100 Intro to Management (3 units)
2. ENG-W 131 Elementary Composition (3 units)
3. BUS-X 104 Business Presentations (3 units)
4. MATH-M 118 Finite Mathematics (3 units)
5. MATH-M 119 Brief Survey of Calculus (3 units)
6. BUS-K 201 The Computer in Business (3 units)
7. BUS-A 100 Basic Accounting Skills (1 unit)</p>
<p>This will leave ten courses to be taken:</p>
<ol>
<li> BUS-X 204 Business Communications (3 units) (Prerequisite: ENG-W 131) </li>
<li> BUS-X 201 Technology (Prerequisite: BUS-K 201) (3 units)</li>
<li> BUS-X 220 Career Perspectives (2 units)</li>
<li> BUS-A 201 Intro to Financial Accounting (3 units) (Prerequisite: BUS-A 100)</li>
<li> BUS-A 202 Intro to Managerial Accounting (3 units) (Prerequisite: BUS-A 100)</li>
<li> BUS-L 201 Legal Environment of Business (3 units) (Prerequisite: Sophomore Standing)</li>
<li> ECON-E 201 Intro to Microeconomics (3 units)</li>
<li> ECON-E 370 Statistical Analysis (3 units) (P: BUS-E 201 and MATH-M 118) or MATH-K 310</li>
<li> BUS-G 202 Corporate Social Strategy (formerly called Business and Economic Strategy in Public Arena) (2 units)</li>
<li>ECON-E 202 Intro to Macroeconomics (3 units) (recommended but not required)</li>
</ol>
<p>Plus the zero unit BUS X-230 course</p>
<p>I suggest these courses be taken in the following order:</p>
<p>Fall 2008
1. BUS-X 201 Technology (Prerequisite: BUS-K 201) (3 units)
2. BUS-X 220 Career Perspectives (2 units) plus BUS-X230 (0 units)
3. BUS-A 201 Intro to Financial Accounting (3 units) (Prerequisite: BUS-A 100)
4. ECON-E 201 Intro to Microeconomics (3 units)
5. BUS-G 202 Corporate Social Strategy (formerly called Business and Economic Strategy in Public Arena) (2 units)</p>
<p>Spring 2009 (or split between Spring 2009 and Fall 2009)
1. BUS-X 204 Business Communications (3 units) (Prerequisite: ENG-W 131)
2. BUS-A 202 Intro to Managerial Accounting (3 units) (Prerequisite: BUS-A 100)
3. BUS-L 201 Legal Environment of Business (3 units) (Prerequisite: Sophomore Standing)
4. ECON-E 370 Statistical Analysis (3 units) (P: BUS-E 201 and MATH-M 118) or MATH-K 310
5. ECON-E 202 Intro to Macroeconomics (3 units) (recommended but not required)</p>
<p>As you can see this leaves no time for any general education courses (except maybe one course in Fall 2008 if your son doesn't mind taking 16 units).</p>
<p>Also, if your son finishes with at least a 3.7 GPA (overall) at the end of this semester, he can apply for the Hutton Honors college. This allows him to take certain of these courses as "honors" courses (and which are normally closed to others). If he takes 5 of these as honors courses prior to going into I-Core (and then takes one other course his senior year), he will get "college honors" noted on his diploma at graduation. However, that means half of the courses he takes during his sophomore year would be "honors" courses--so you and he will have to decide if this works for him.
Also, these honors courses have different numbers--so BUS-L 201, for example--would be replaced by BUS-L 293, which is the honors version of the same course. Look at the "Schedule of Classes" to see which courses are honors replacement for which other courses.</p>
<p>I'll discuss transferring courses in my next post.</p>
<p>Before I talk about transferring, let me note that the MATH and Communications classes listed above (but not the Economics courses) do count towards the 62 unit general education requirementso that means that by the time your son takes I-Core, he will have finished at least 15 units of general ed, not counting the other general ed courses he has taken up until now. </p>
<p>To transfer courses, you go to this website:
Credit</a> Transfer Service Home: Office of Admissions ~ IU Bloomington
and then go to the link marked Search for College or University name and go until you find the college where you plan to take the course. Then see if the course is already listed as an acceptable course for transfer. If it is, then great, but if it isnt, then you have to get a copy of the syllabus from the instructor who is teaching the course at that college and then fit out the form below:</p>
<p>You should try to submit this at least a month before you start the class. This will give the school time to approve your course or courses and say that they will count in place of the required course at Indiana University.</p>
<p>Calcruzer, I called Kelley advising a few months ago and an advisor read me a list of required business courses that are applied to the 62-hour general education requirement, and she included the three econ courses needed to graduate from Kelley. Don't know why other econ courses do not apply to the 62-hour requirement, but the three listed below do count. The ones listed below total 31 credits; so doing the 27 credit hour core and the Kelley required courses adds up to 58 gen ed hours, leaving four or more gen ed credits needed to reach the 62 number. A lot of students take more than four more gen ed credits beyond the Kelley required courses and the 27 credit hour core if the courses required in their business major leave them short of the 124 total credits needed to graduate from Kelley. I'm pretty sure all the majors except accounting (125 credits) can be done in 124 credit hours.</p>
<p>ENG-W 131 (3 cr.)
BUS-X 104 (3 cr.)
BUS-X 204 (3 cr.)
MATH-M 118 (3 cr.)
MATH-M 119 (3 cr.)
ECON-E 201 (3 cr.)
BUS-G 202 (2 cr.)
ECON-E 370 (3 cr.)
BUS-L 201 (3 cr.)
BUS-X 220 (2 cr.)
ECON 202 (3 cr.) (not required for I-Core, but needed to graduate from Kelley)</p>
<p>Is Bus-X 100 really required? </p>
<p>It's not on their academic bulletin, and to get into the business school you only need 3 of the 4 classes.</p>
<pre><code>* Completed three or more of the following admissions courses:
o MATH-M 118 Finite Mathematics
o MATH-M 119 Brief Survey of Calculus
o BUS-K 201 The Computer in Business
o BUS-X 100 Introduction to Business Administration OR BUS-G 100 Business in the Information Age (only one of these courses can serve as an admission course, and you may only get credit for one)
</code></pre>
<p>Good question, SoCal18. I listed it above for jcarol (as a business course to take) since her son has already completed the course, but I agree with you that it is not listed as a requirement for I-core, nor as a requirement to graduate with a business degree. Therefore, I guess it is not actually required.</p>
<p>It should be noted that all of the advisors suggest that business majors take either BUS-X 100 or BUS-G 100 as their first course--but apparently it is possible to avoid taking it altogether if one wants to reduce the total workload. </p>
<p>These are introductory courses that describe the business environment.</p>
<p>bthomp1,
Thanks for the info on the three Econ courses counting for general ed units. This is something they don't seem to clarify in the academic bulletin--so it's nice to know that these extra business requirements count on the general ed side (especially when the bulletin seems to imply that most econ courses wouldn't count in the general ed totals.)</p>
<p>As far as getting done in 124 units--I think finance and accounting and possible operations research/decision science may require more than 124--since all three of these majors require the equivalent of 7 courses minimum in the major field. (In fact, finance requires 8 courses--but two of these courses can be 1.5 units each).</p>
<p>P.S. I hope everyone realizes that I'm just the parent of a student--so anything I post here is not official school data, but rather just my best "take" on what the requirements are. So, I really appreciate it when people like bthomp1 and SoCal18 clarify any "misinformation" that I post. Together I'm hoping that we can get to the actual facts.</p>
<p>jcarol, I didn't post the info on the Sports Management program--but that's because I'm not the expert on it. Perhaps A2Wolves6 can post on here (after Spring Break?) about the requirements for that program--which he is currently in.</p>
<p>Well, the adviser isn't necessarily wrong. If you take A201 and A202 at a community college, you don't have to take A100 at IU for Sport Management. I took both these at a community college, transferred them over, and there was no point for me to take A100.</p>
<p>The SM program, from what Gary Sailes (director of the program and admissions) told us all in P211 was that if you have a 2.8, you will be admitted. That's the cut off. With a 3.86, I wouldn't be worried at all. Business school admissions I am not too familiar with.</p>
<p>Also, I see that your S took X104 first semester. If you go with Sport Management instead of Business, note that X104 will count as C121 in the SM program.</p>
<p>I would give your S more advise, but I can't tell him to take SM classes unless he has decided he wants to major/minor in it. If he wants to do some SM classes next semester, I would say do the minor classes first, then go on to the major classes. Here's the list of the classes for the minor.</p>
<p>You have the right idea in taking classes that will get you into both programs, in addition to taking classes that aren't specific to either program yet. Keep your options open because you don't want to sign up for a sports/business only class, take it and realized "I don't want to major in this!"</p>
<p>Thanks for all the great information. It will take us a couple of days to sift through the options---then more questions will come your way. At this point, my S can't take K201 until Fall 2008, so he is can't register for those with this as a pre-req. After looking at the grade distributions for A201 and E201, I am considering suggesting he take both of those (and maybe M119) at cc this summer. He would be very busy but found some well-regarded instructors and he could take M119 online. S checked and all courses are transferable.
A2Wolves6, I'm not worried about his grade point (although I suspect it won't remain that high with the additional business classes, but they claim they only admit 40 students---seems like many more than that would apply.
Again, thanks to all you for the thought and advice you have offered. We'll be in touch!</p>
<p>I don't think Kelley allows M119 to be taken online.</p>
<p>It is specifically mentioned here.</p>
<p>Kelley</a> School of Business Undergraduate 2006-2008 Online Bulletin: Undergraduate Program</p>
<p>Credit for Independent Study by Correspondence/Distance Education
The Kelley School faculty and staff strongly advise students to complete all their course work in the classroom. The quality of courses offered by correspondence or distance education (online courses) varies a great deal, and there are numerous problems, notably a very low completion rate and high rates of graduation delays. The school will accept two courses (for a total of 6 credits) by correspondence study or distance education to count toward degree requirements. However, because of the basic importance in the degree program, business courses may not be taken by correspondence study or distance education to satisfy admission or degree requirements or as business electives. In addition, the following non-business courses (or their equivalents) may not be taken by correspondence study or distance education for admission or degree purposes: MATH-M 118, M 119; ECON-E 201, E 202, E 370; CMCL-C 121. Note: All correspondence/distance education courses taken in the final semester to fulfill degree requirements must be completed three weeks prior to the end of a regular semester.</p>
<p>Thanks for the heads up. I don't think they list it on the transcript as "online" since it is taught by a full-time professor and students have personal access to the instructor--BUT no reason to make a big mistake. We'll check it out.</p>
<p>Got my schedule planned. TuTh 9:30-5:30. :)</p>
<p>Anybody know where on the system they post your registration time?</p>
<p>With the new "Onestart" layout, neither I nor my son can find it.</p>
<p>(Maybe it's not listed yet?)</p>
<p>Hey I planned my schedule for my first semester. It's not final as I haven't actually enrolled in them, but this is what I plan on doing. Have any of you had these classes or professors before? Any Suggestions?</p>
<p>ENG-W 131 Elementary Composition
05:45P-07:00P -- MW</p>
<p>BUS-K 201 The Computer in Business
01:25P-02:15P -- MW
01:25P-02:15P -- F (Lecture)</p>
<p>BUS-X 104 Business Presentations
11:15A-12:30P -- MW -- R Rieseberg</p>
<p>MATH-M 118 Finite Mathematics
11:15P-12:30P -- TR -- M Ciucu</p>
<p>TEL-T 205 Intro to Media & Society
01:00P-02:15P -- TR -- B Paul</p>
<p>I was very concerned about the online class after seeing your post. However, i(M119) is not correspondence or "distance education" and is treated as a regular class. I checked with the cc and they assure me that no notation is made of "online" class on the transcript. It is taught by a full-time professor with small "class" size and personal access. Hopefully this will work but he may make this his alternative class.</p>