<p>i don't understand race componenet in college admissions..
they say they accept people regardless of race + gender..
but why is it harder for guys to get into engineering school
and asians to get into top schools..
and don't colleges also say they want to "diversify" their college?
wouldn't those two statements be contradictory?</p>
<p>when you get to the core of it you realize they are completly contradictory...</p>
<p>haha i knew it... im not saying all URM gets in..
its just that if URM and ORM are equally competitive and qualified.... obviously they would try to "diversify".. -_-</p>
<p>Yeah, the fact is that a minority...is a minority. Assuming every applicant was just as qualified, regardless of race, there would always be a disproportianate amound of ORMs compared to URMs by the definition of a minority.</p>
<p>Did the same thing as Shinggie too.</p>
<p>^^^last names do not always clue you in on ethnicity. My last name is Harriston, pretty normal sounding. im hispanic and black</p>
<p>People on this board are ridiculous....</p>
<p>Do your REALLY believe adcoms look at an app and say </p>
<p>" hmm 3.8 2350, and asian, REJECT" </p>
<p>or </p>
<p>"hmm 2.5 1560, Hispanic YESSS! ADMIT" "hey jim, make sure to give this kid some merit money to"</p>
<p>....like seriously...b/c thats the impression i get from people on this board!</p>
<p>The public policies connected to ethnicity as a factor in college admission are very controversial. One result of the controversy is that colleges are reluctant to publish information that would help members of the public figure out how much of an admission difference ethnicity makes. Previous court cases that have gone up to the Supreme Court have shown that sometimes it has made a substantial difference at some state universities, where it shouldn't make a difference at all, constitutionally (under the fourteenth amendment). Privately operated colleges and universities have somewhat more flexibility in setting their admission policies, but they aren't always clear what those policies are, and sometimes forget to do research to figure out if what they think they are doing is what they are actually doing in effect. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.educause.edu/ir/library/pdf/ff0615S.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.educause.edu/ir/library/pdf/ff0615S.pdf</a> </p>
<p>BW</a> Online | July 7, 2003 | Needed: Affirmative Action for the Poor</p>
<p>I was wrestling with this idea, and ultimatly decided to just put down that im asian</p>
<p>i couldn't hide it anyway considering my reported middle and last name were obvious give aways along with my parents and the fact that I talk about going to china/mandarin chinese in my application. Somethings you just cant hide, and either way I'm pretty sure nobody is rejected/accepted SOLEY on race, there must be some standard.</p>
<p>I didn't fill in my race on my Common App but I mentioned my ethnicity in an essay, so...</p>
<p>My family name is kinda iffy.</p>
<p>Selection or consideration by zip code is a curious concept. In a local area, the older downtown area (with its associated inner city type problems of crime, over crowding, infrastructure deterioration) shares its zip with new subdivisions up on the hill (the $2 million + homes); they also share a school district. I would hate to be an adcom trying to figure that one out.</p>
<p>FWIW: my family lives in the most racially DIVERSE district in the state of PA, if one looks at the percentages. They actually have a seminar at the local high school in late summer for parents and kids applying to colleges since over 40% of the locals are of mixed races - all different kinds.</p>
<p>To address that ORM's are more than likely URM's to fill in the "race unknown" category. </p>
<p>I've met many URM's who filled in "race unknown" box because they were afraid of people discrediting their abilities and attributing it to affirmative action. I remember meeting one hispanic girl on an internship whose friends said that she would receive tons of scholarships and admittance to top universities because she was hispanic. She said that she declined to report race on all her forms, she still did get into top universities but she didn't attend any privates because she was low income and couldn't really afford it when she could have really benefitted from scholarships that target her and could have helped her afford it.</p>
<p>and yes Ixjunixti, people definitely have a false impression of the whole process. It kind of worries me.</p>
<p>^^yes i agree with terahk and ixjunitxi...look at this example below </p>
<p>" hmm 3.8 2350, Asian, captain of tennis team, plays piano, science Olympiad</p>
<p>or</p>
<p>"hmm 3.6 2210, Asian, captain of the football team, plays the drums, literary scholar </p>
<p>...step out of your comfort zone and you will reap all of the rewards</p>
<p>
[quote]
Do your REALLY believe adcoms look at an app and say </p>
<p>" hmm 3.8 2350, and asian, REJECT" </p>
<p>or </p>
<p>"hmm 2.5 1560, Hispanic YESSS! ADMIT" "hey jim, make sure to give this kid some merit money to"
[/quote]
</p>
<p>It's more like </p>
<p>"hmm 3.8 2350, and asian hmm MAYBE"</p>
<p>or</p>
<p>"hmm, 3.6 2100, and black YESSS! ADMIT!"...</p>
<p>Has anybody ever stopped and thought that maybe if you don't report your ethnicity that they simply don't consider it as part of you??</p>
<p>college admissions isn't solely, or primarily based on race, contrary to popular opinion on this board. They aren't "out to get" asian people. </p>
<p>god some people are ridiculous</p>
<p>I do think tokenadult has a point. I wish there were more transparency in the admissions process. Practice AA if you must. But, at least let us know the SAT scores of accepted applicants of various ethnicities. That would eliminate a lot of the inane bickering that always plague AA threads. Not only that, show us how URMs do once they are in college. In other words, give us the average college GPA's of various ethnicities. Heck, if the average GPA's are within 0.2 of each other, I'd consider AA a success. I have a sneaky feeling that the discrepancy b/w ORMs and URMs is greater than that though...</p>
<p>"hmm 3.8 2350, and asian hmm " </p>
<p>Umm no that is deff an accept...keshira is one of those AA cry babies</p>
<p>Opinions on an Asian applicant changing their name from Xiong to Gonzalez and then not checking the race box?</p>
<p>i know a asian that got deferred from UPENN with a 4.0 and 2370 SAT and a hispanic that got accepted with a 2050 SAT a 3.6 GPA and much worse e.cs....Even though it shouldn't, race matters to colleges.</p>
<p>^^ stop lying dude lol...</p>
<p>Neways your "alleged" friend must have done something really wrong, maybe he has a criminal record, or his teacher recs were bad, or his essay sucked...b/c there are plenty of Asians that got into Penn... with far lower stats in the ED thread ... stats like 3.7 2090 and 3.8 2190 ( i dont consider this low..just lower than your friend) Asian and Caucasian kids even got into wharton w/ scholarships with lower stats than your friend.... so your friend is probably a fluke</p>