Feedback on final application list for the pickiest applicant ever...who needs merit $

I thought round 3 of the college search, with DS19, would be easier. I was so wrong! Rounds 1 (DS14) and 2 (DD14 - yes, twins) chose a flagship and CTCL school.

DS19’s requirements seem to be an urban, but self-contained campus (think American, as opposed to GWU), on the smaller side. MUST be diverse and liberal, and wants nothing to do with the SE. (We are in FL) Greek life can be present, but not prevalent. Party/pot culture is a turnoff. Big football culture is a NO. Religious affiliated is a no. International Relations or Global Affairs are major interests currently. Strong Study Abroad program is a must. Schools he didn’t like include University of FL (too big…or something…just hated it before we even got out of the car), GWU (too big and no campus feel), University of Tampa (love the campus, but not the vibe there) and College of Wooster (to my dismay), bc it was too in the middle-of-nowhere (but he liked the campus itself and the people).

32 ACT (33 for the rare school that superscores it) - perfect scores on English and Reading (which tells you about relatively weak math scores!). Likely just over a 3.7 UW GPA after this year (again, math pulls him down). 4s and a 5 on freshman and sophomore APs taken so far. 760 on both Bio and WH SAT subject tests (we weren’t sure whether he would be looking at highly selective schools, so took them last year to be safe.) Will graduate with 10 APs, so rigor is good. Eagle Scout, Senior Patrol Leader, selected as Boys State delegate this summer, co-founder of hs Young Dem Club and President-elect for Senior year, Scout camp ecology merit badge counselor this summer, organizer of his hs’ National School Walkout, NHS, Beta, etc.

We are a “donut hole”(does CC still use that term?) family, so we desperately need merit $ or sticker has to be under $35-40k. This is hugely limiting, obviously. Really can’t afford to apply ED anywhere bc of financial aid and what the NPCs look like. EA is an option of course.

Right now the list looks like this in order of his preference:

~American U (no clue what odds are RD for acceptance or merit $)
~UMiami (an exception to his “no-FL” and no football rule…I think bc our tour guide described a great DC internship with a congressman. It will help that we are in-state and they will give Bright Futures credit to us, and a FL resident discount)
~Occidental (he loves everything about this school on paper, but we haven’t visited and won’t unless he is accepted. Making contact with admissions officer to express interest though.)
~University of Puget Sound (again, sounds great on paper and no visit until acceptance/financial aid offer. I’ve heard it described as very similar to Wooster-vibe.)
~Dickinson (not sure how he feels this is a better location than Wooster, but they seemed to emphasize DC connections when we toured and I think he liked that. Drawback is that it didn’t feel very diverse at all.)
~New College of FL (this just felt a little TOO small and maybe TOO hippy-ish to him…but needs to remain on his list as a financial safety. He prefers it to other FL universities.)

Considering additions of:
~Goucher (worries about location and student retention rate)
~UMass Amherst (not a city, but interesting vibe with 5 colleges there. Great honors college, if he gets in, which would make it more desirable too. Potential for merit. His sister will be in grad school there, so we will visit and decide if it feels too big.)
~Eckerd (again, that hippy feel and he has stayed on the campus in the dorms for a program and was unimpressed.)
~Macalester (I’ve heard a lot recently about high stress there, and it doesn’t appear their merit offers are great, so likely not affordable. But, it checks all other boxes)
~Vassar (not in a city, but close…sort of. Supposedly has a good reputation for merit aid? Conflicting info there…)

If anyone can think of any Boston schools that would fit, I’d love to hear about them! I think he would LOVE Boston, and we know that area well…plus it’s an easy flight! But, I can’t come up with anyplace there that fits. Tufts would probably be a dream school for him…except for the price tag. Really, any suggestions of schools in the NE that fit all of the criteria are appreciated. Chicago area would work too. But, I think I’ve exhausted them all in my research.

You may want to consider Brandeis. From what I’ve heard, they aren’t amazing about merit aid/grants but it seems to check a lot of your son’s boxes. I visited with my daughter over spring break, and it was the surprise 1st choice after meeting students and taking a tour.

Emory - although it’s in Atlanta it doesn’t have a southeastern vibe. No worries about football culture- they don’t have a team (and the Emory Football Undefeated t-shirts you might see on campus are tongue in cheek! The Carter Center is affiliated with Emory and does great things in the area of peace and global relations.

Vassar does not give merit

Since he liked Puget Sound on paper, maybe Willamette?

S18 got into American and Macalester. He’s focused on PoliSci/IR. In both cases merit aid was only $20K pa (Macalester don’t go above that, American have very few scholarships above that) so COA was about $50K pa. Gettysburg and CWRU were two of his other acceptances with somewhat better merit aid, though still closer to $40-45K pa COA when everything was included.

Also, we have a similar budget (but can get there with either merit or need), and concluded UMass Amherst was too expensive.

Good info @allyphoe, thanks! (But depressing!)

@GnocchiB I loved Emory! Older DS had higher (near perfect) stats though and they didn’t give him any merit $$…so I hadn’t considered it.

Would any of the SUNYs or CUNYs fit the bill? I think they run about $30,000 cost of attendance for OOS.

How about Clark? It has the small city of Worcester, plus commuter rail access to Boston. And some pretty good merit available, I believe.

There are some small and liberal publics in the Pacific Northwest - Evergreen State, Southern Oregon - that would come in around your price point. Portland State is bigger but the urban location is great, and they have an Honors College which could give the smaller-college experience.

University of Denver?

Macalester does seem to be up his alley, and it is generally not a super high stress place. But agree that the finances might not work. Dickinson the same — good fit, but may not be affordable.

As someone who really related to everything your son is looking for you HAVE to look at Willamette I fell in love on my tour. Also, the Oregon state capital is nearly on campus! Drop everything and tour, or at least apply it’s free.

I would agree w/ Clark. S18 applied there, got $20,000/yr Merit which brought it down well within your range. Word of caution: if you go, don’t judge a book by it’s cover. Worcester is…Worcester, but there are several colleges there (WPI & Holy Cross to name 2). It’s not in the best neighborhood (neither was my alma mater), but fantastic tour, fantastic vibe - the kids were great, programs seemed great. I would have had no problem sending him there. Clarkies are a cool bunch. It’s really a gem. The only reason he’s not going there is he got in ED to his top choice, Vassar. They meet 100% full need, but as said above, no merit. I can tell you that if you run the NPC, it will be just about spot on - at least in our case it was.

Very helpful @kjs1992! Looks like Vassar will likely come off of our list.
Just this past weekend, I had a discussion with someone and was discouraged from Clark due to the “neighborhood”, but I’m back to thinking it’s well worth a look.
And @vegetarianstress, thanks for the Willamette push…I’m off to research it some more right now!

^It’s not a pretty campus - Not closed or gated, so sketchy people can and do walk through any time. If that is a deal breaker, don’t bother visiting Clark.

Earlham, perhaps? Diverse, liberal, strong study abroad, and up to 1/2 tuition merit awards possible for that profile, and a lower tuition/room and board than many east coast schools brings it within $35-40k range. It is Quaker tradition school so don’t know if that would fall within the no-religious affiliation side of things. Not exactly urban, but certainly similar to Wooster in that regard.

All schools will likely have some element of “party culture” – the question is whether there is ample support for other activities.

I agree with the Goucher, Willamette and Clark rec’s.
They’re all generous for high stats kids and there are true strengths within their IR/poly sci majors.

Location-wise, Goucher is easiest to get to, with Clark and Willamette both about 45-1 hour from major airports.
The city of Salem however, is the OR state capital and kids with IR/poly sci interests can literally walk across the street for internships.

Be sure to check out the dual degree options at both Willamette and Clark.

Richmond (if it’s not too Greek) and Tulane (he doesn’t have to party - can try for the honors program with its special housing) might work…