<p>hahah.."cricketstud"..that's a first..</p>
<p>yeah, I should admit, even at my small stature, and even with my neurotic, OCD like behavior, I've pulled chicks that make the big dudes want to kill me. But it took serious game and serious effort-I can't just go to the bar like some 6'2 guy and come home with a hottie. Plus I dress better than 99% of guys in the U.S.-that's actually my best tip, dress to impress and don't wear clothes that make you look short. I don't care if that sounds gay, trust me, if your a good looking short dude with a good physique, wear fitted GQish clothes, including blazers, and shoes w/a little heel-chicks will dig the style and will make an exception. And don't get desperate, women can smell it a mile a way and it will creep them out.</p>
<p>At times I feel it sucks to be a guy. Would rather be a female and look pretty and I would have no problem. :)</p>
<p>^^ That sounds kinda gay!</p>
<p>Lol!</p>
<p>^^ lol i think hes ready to jump out the closet! lol im kidding..</p>
<p>im 5'5- 5'6 dude approaching 18 in 2 months. honestly im not happy about my height but i still do get girls. i believe im a funny interesting guy to hang out with. i really dont get people when they cry when females dont crawl all over their crotch.</p>
<p>oh yea.. i dress nice =P everything fitted.</p>
<p>So then height doesn't really matter that much? I never really considered it to be a big deal, and I don't generally care too much about it.</p>
<p>don't make it matter to them...never make them feel like they are of a higher league than you</p>
<p>OP's height is NOT a problem. 5'7 is NOT short, it's in the middle. 5'4 is short, for a guy. 6'0 is tall.</p>
<p>I'm 5'1 and I would begin to avoid a guy taller than 5'8. (obviously I'm not going to completely disregard someone JUST b/c of their height, would date a guy of ANY height if they were the love of my life) the OP says he puts out good first impressions but his problem he says is moving from the friendship level to the relationship level. the girls probably just don't you see you that way -- like the others said, try to be more aggressive or have a more sexual demeanor rather than a friendlier one, at first. girls like guys who are sexy, mysterious, aggressive, manly, and play hard to get, at first. then back off the ego train and show true, sincere interest in getting to know her.</p>
<p>OMG, not you again wutangfinancial, you said that on the other site and you're going around and saying this again, only this site is alot more open to your negativity. So I guess it is up to me to stop you. Great... a guy is looking for advice and you go in an turn it into a 5 page discussion about height. CAN YOU STOP TALKING ABOUT HEIGHT! Here my first tip for you (OP):</p>
<p>*Law #10 - Avoid the Unhappy and the Unlucky</p>
<p>You can die from someone else’s misery – emotional states are as infectious as disease. The unfortunate sometimes draw misfortune on themselves; they will also draw it on you. Associate with the happy and fortunate instead. *</p>
<p>and yes, reading this thread and the other things he said, avoid him please. He brought that up before and he will continue, but don't listen to him. The worse thing you can do is to put yourself down. The only half-decent advice he said all thread is to dress decently. </p>
<p>Of course, you will argue back, I can't win just my words alone, but perhaps I should quote your own words (didn't thought this will come back to haunt you huh?)</p>
<p>I've never had a girlfriend. I'm 22. Can you live a rich and fullfilling life w/o a significant other? I'm finally recognizing that if I want to find a girl, she'll have to be under a 5. Is it worth going out with an ugly girl? How can I learn to love a girl whose ugly?</p>
<p>That was posted in the beginning of June, I doubt things have changed that much by the end of July (please note, in other posts he did mentioned that he managed to hook up with a few girls, but he is totaly not qualified for what OP is looking for).</p>
<p>Want</a> the Link to the Source? </p>
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<p>First, lemme tell you a few things, wutang did have some truth mixed a little, looks and heights do matter, but it's only a small handicap that anyone can conquer and not at all as deceisive as he puts it (while I'm not sure the scale in difference is correct, think the difference of the employer looking at a Havard gradate and a lesser known school graduate to hire). I do have to admit, getting a taller girl is not as easy, but you are 5'7, the average male height is 5'6 and female is 5'4. I just need to tell you that so you can be informed. </p>
<p>Another thing I want to say (still addressing what Wutang said) is friendzone, I actually have alot to say about it, but I'll just stick to the necessary thing. In a way, guys do fall into that hole, and it is very difficult to climb out, but no one falls into it without digging themselves in. People fall in not because the girl saw his shortness and see him like a cute little teddy bear, but because the guy never push the "confortable" boundaries and essentially establish a norm that kills all attraction a girl can see in a guy. Time doesn't do this (meaning that just because a person is friends with a girl for like 10 years doesn't mean the guys is in it either), looks doesn't do this, actions (or lack of) does this. </p>
<p>One other mix he said is attraction is not negotiable part is true, but that sort of obvious, you can't reason a person into attraction.</p>
<p>Finally, so you say that many people say you have looks, humor, and personality, but when you try to go after the girl, you have not been successful. I guess for starters, what do you do when you find a girl attractive? How do you pursue her?</p>
<p>Um, actually, the average male height is 5'9", not 5'6". But other than that, I agree with you.</p>
<p>"How can I learn to love a girl whose ugly?"</p>
<p>How can they learn to love a short boy?</p>
<p>im 5'5' and as long as the guy is still taller than me when i wear heals..i am perfectly fine with it</p>
<p>having that said...i dont like guys who are over 6' because i don't want a guy who is a lot taller than me even in heals.</p>
<p>i think the height thing is wayyy over rated</p>
<p>as someone above said..dressing well will definetely help you
the first thing i usualyl notice on a guy is his clothes...so wht if it means spending the extra $1000 on your wardrobe, its soooooooo worth it! designer clothes makes every1 hotter</p>
<p>From my experience, most reasonable girls either don't care about height or care about it just enough so that their boyfriends have to be an inch or so taller than they are.</p>
<p>I'm 5'7"-5'8" and I've dated girls of heights 5'2", 5'6", 5'8", and 5'9" (the 5'6" girl did say that she wished I was a little taller, though). Height does matter, but it is a necessity only to really superficial people.</p>
<p>wutangfinancial always had a niche of changing dating discussions into height discussion. MAYBE she just doesnt like you for you.</p>
<p>OK so the height thing really doesn't bother me. Any other suggestions?</p>
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<p>Also, DO NOT take women's advice...they aren't going to tell you the truth. Women HATE nice guys when it comes to getting intimate..they want a mysoginst, pseudo rapist.
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<p>More truth has never been spoken. Even more so than height(i'm 6'3" by the way), attitude will get you far.</p>
<p>For example I've been such a nice guy for a long time, and I have come to the realization just like wutang that women want nice friends not nice boyfriends. A recent girl that I met at a college seminar I was at for a week said she had a crush on me after only one week. Only one girl in my life has ever admitted that she liked me and it took more than a week to get her to like me. The thing is I treated this girl badly. She sat on my lap and I told her to get off, when before I would of smiled and just made some silly comments. She would talk and I would tell her that what she was saying was stupid. I also did some other things that were mean and disrespectful. AND SHE LOVED IT! Look at the results I got after just 2 weeks of deciding I was going to be a "bad boy" and not a nice guy any more. (stupidest thing ever)</p>
<p>Whether girls want to admit it they like to be abused mentally and emotionally all the time. They like their feelings messed with and for guys to act like they don't care about them.</p>
<p>I always like to think of it in these terms. A dateable mans behavior towards women in his environment is tailored to what women want. For example a lot the guys that get all the girls in inner city detroit approach girls like "what it is shorty, you ain't gonna let me tap that". They do that because its what works. While that type of approach works for them, it probably wouldn't work for them in a rural town in Kansas. Rural town Kansas game is different than Inner City Detroit game, and American game is different than French and Japanese game. What I feel you should do is look around at the guys that get all the girls in your environment and see how they act towards women. Is it an area that women are treated like something you found on the bottom of your shoe or are women more receptive to "nice guy" techniques. </p>
<p>While you may hate treating women badly and acting like you don't care about them you have to change if you want to get the girl. Men have a lot more logic than women. While we think we want to be as nice as possible to the girl that we like so she could become our friend than girlfriend, girls don't think this way. They think "awww, hed be such a nice friend" (notice they didn't say hed be such a nice boyfriend). It is very rare to become good friends first with the girl you want to date. IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. While it makes sense it should go meet-aquaintance-friend-girlfriend, it hardly ever if maybe never works that way. Girls don't like it that way. IF you do it that way you will be stuck in the dreaded "friends zone" FOREVER. You have to make it clear from the beginning you want to be more than friends with them and that is the only reason you're talking to them. You have to change your behavior.</p>
<p>Because as mentioned before the only alternative is becoming gay.</p>
<p>Maybe its just me, but I can't treat anyone with complete dis-respect unless he/she really annoys me. </p>
<p>I might have to settle for the alternative.</p>
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<p>^wth? And you went on to say that men were more logical... </p>
<p>How's this for my "woman-logic": If you treat girls like doormats, you will get girls who want to be treated like doormats and probably don't know any better, or if they do, they're too scared to change because they're afraid they won't get guys if they don't let people walk (and do other things) all over them. If you treat girls with respect, you will more likely be with a woman who wants to be respected. Based on my observations, if you are looking for a long term relationship, or even a happy fulfilling short one, go with the latter. That is, unless you have some serious ego problem and need to be with a doormat to look good... which ultimately will just end up making you look worse.</p>
<p>Notice that girls often say "my boyfriend is so sweet, he did XYZ" (romantic note, took her on a date, etc). They'll never sincerely say that about someone who treats them like crap. Come on, have you not heard of the damsel-in-distress complex? While I hate to stereotype, there are some (but not all) girls who want to be rescued, pampered, the rest. If you're sick enough to think that girls actually want to be emotionally abused, well... I think you're beyond hope and wish you well with your future divorces, if anybody will marry some arse like you in the first place. :)</p>
<p>OP, honestly, if you want girls listen to a girl's advice, and not that of some idiot who thinks he knows what goes on in our twisted minds.</p>
<p>a really ugly dude once told me. YOLO.
You Only Live Once. This guy was the life of the party, he was DUMB ugly but he still pulled chicks because he was such a outgoing person. So my advice is to gain some confidence. Do not go overboard with confidence. I define a confident guy as a dude who is able to step up to a girl he see is attractive and begin to start a convo with her within 1 min of spotting the girl. There is a thin line between confidence and arrogance. If you follow the YOLO rule, you will live your life to the fullest.</p>
<p>and if you walk into a wall, just get up! theres more fishes in the sea.</p>
<p>then again.. all girls are desperate.</p>
<p>Oi... why are you still taking wutangfinancial words... He speaks of some truths, but he mixes far too much truth with exageration and misinterpretation! Now you are taking his word to be a jerk!</p>
<p>I understand your experience of being a jerk have done more then being a nice guy have ever done. After a week of being a jerk to a girl that somehow she still stick around and still attracted to you. </p>
<p>There is nothing wrong with being a nice guy and when I said a nice guy, I mean a true nice guy. Let me ask you, when you were a nice guy, how did you act around a girl you like?</p>
<p>Never disagree?
Gave unearned and underserved attention?
Put the girl on a pedestal?
Spent unreasonable amount of money buying her stuff?
Allow yourself to listen to things you are not interested?
Refused to allow yourself to say anything that might be offensive or unconfortable?
Ignore what you want to do in favor for doing something she suggested... and you don't?</p>
<p>To act as nice as possible is to completely submit yourself to her will, a servant to a queen. Hmm... would a queen ever see a servant as something more?</p>
<p>Many guys do that, along with many other stuff, thinking it will win their approval and affection by acting like a spineless yes-men. Put yourself in that perspective, would you want him? Heck, do even guys want a doormat as a friend, much less women as a boyfriend?</p>
<p>In fact these are not even nice guys, nice guys are genuine in their actions and respect themselves enough to bark back. These are fake nice men who give those who are truly nice guys a bad name. </p>
<p>Women don't want jerks, nor do they want nice guys, they want men. Now when you are a jerk, based on what you said in that post.</p>
<p>You disagree alot.
You never gave more attention than she deserve.
Never put her on a pedestal.
I'm pretty sure you won't spend more than you feel confortable.
Told her to stop talking about things you don't want to hear.
Obviously that make you willing to risk offending her.
Likely you set your own rules and do something you would like to do.</p>
<p>Women want a man who have a backbone, confidence... something the fake nice guys lack. Jerks have those qualites and it redeems (at least for a short time) the fact he will kick her around. </p>
<p>To get a girl, you don't need to treat women as like something you scrapped off the bottom of your shoe. You need a willingness to take action, not be afraid of your sexuality (nice guys never show that fearing it would make things unconfortable or offensive). You don't need to be a total jerk, but you do need to be the person who can stand on his own strength.</p>