FINAL College List (Help!)

Chance Me / Match Me!
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<p>I wanted to run this by you guys one last time before I start visiting.
I recently found out I was low income. The way it works is that apparently my family's "income" is considered low because, of my dad's profession, all the mortages, property, etc. is NOT considered when I calculate EFC, etc. </p>

<p>Therefore, my family's income when I send the info to colleges will be
<$40,000</p>

<p>GPA
Freshman: 3.1, 3.17
Sophomore: 3.41, 3.477
Junior: 3.3, 3.67 <--special circumstances first sememester
Senior: projected 3.8</p>

<p>Michigan GPA: ~3.3, 3.47 if they count senior year</p>

<p>Test Scores
ACT: 35</p>

<p>EC's (important ones)
-VP of business professionals of america (BPA)
-2nd place nationally at BPA competition
-Numerous awards/ranks at state/regional level
-Internship at computerized accounting firm
-Nominated for Wharton Leadership in Business Conference
-Served as board member for non-profit organization</p>

<p>-Played at Carnegie hall w/ orchestra
-Several awards at regional level for Violin</p>

<p>-VP, Secretary, Editor-in-chief of two clubs/school paper</p>

<p>-Varsity athlete
-Ranked nationally for Rifelry (several medals, etc) </p>

<p>Other Factors
Instate at michigan
Excellent Recs
Rec from retired michigan professor
Rec from current michigan professor</p>

<p>Reach: Umich ross preferred, NYU Stern (possibly ED), UChicago, Emory
Match: University of Illinois -UC, Boston College
Safety: Indiana (Kelley), Michigan State</p>

<p>I'm interested in business. I thought up of many other matches/safeties, but in the end if I don't get into ross or stern, I'm probably going to MSU or Indiana and transfer after a year. I may apply to Stern ED. I'm applying to Ross preferred even though I probably won't get in to show my interest in michigan. I'm applying in august for michigan (ie: early as possible)</p>

<p>I don't think money is an issue because my parents said something about getting a good loan/help from the government, whatever. They told me to pick my colleges and not think about money, and they Ok'd NYU Stern so i'm assuming we can afford it.</p>

<p>Chances?
Thoughts?</p>

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<p>so for NYU your GPA is around 3.25, which good for NYU College of Arts and Science, but Stern will be a lot harder. Your ACT scores blew me away though, and your Ec's are a solid addition. I really can't tell in your case, looking at GPA, I would say it is a bit hard, but then looking at your other credentials, I say you have a decent-decent shot.</p>

<p>UOM ross you have a better shot I guess</p>

<p>wait so your income is below 40k? NYU will cost about 180,000! its a bit steep for ANYONE =/</p>

<p>NYU reps are coming to a city close to me tommorow at 10AM, and I am going [reception]...I'll ask them EVERYTHING since it is my first choice. Hoping they'll disregard my freshman year :]</p>

<p>will answer tommorow and share new insight</p>

<p>good luck</p>

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<p>thebrown: thanks. Ross is actually my first choice as an excellent school + instate tuition is hard to beat. I love NYU because of its location and stern. I know stern is very expensive but my parents said not to worry about the financial aspects. I know if I get into both then I will def. choose ross. I don't think I will ED stern then.</p>

<p>Thanks</p>

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<p>I applied to IU, MSU, and UM. I had a 3.3 UM GPA as well, but my test scores weren't nearly as high as your's. A friend on this board had a 3.2 and a 33, UM asked him to see his senior year grades, then he was accepted. Not really "deferred", but somewhat contingent decision.</p>

<p>Anyways, IU will give you 7K+, they'll give you the SSA (selective scholarship application), and you can get more money. Check out Kelley Scholars, Wells Scholars, and the Hutton Honors Colleg at IU. You could possibly get a full ride there, won't have to worry about money. They are top 10 in business overall, and in basically every department. Also you don't have to worry about flying to and from campus, and the hidden expenses there.</p>

<p>I think you'll get in at Michigan, but I don't think you're getting into Ross. NYU doesn't have great financial aid, and it's hard to get in there. MSU, you'll probably get invited to the ADS (Alumni Distinguished Scholars) competition, and you could get a full ride there. You also have MEAP money there, and MCS too.</p>

<p>I'd take Illinois off the list, it's in the middle of nowhere, doesn't have good facilities, and littered with in-state students. I don't think you'd like it there, but visit first and get your own opinion. </p>

<p>That 35 opens up oppurtunities that a 3.3ish GPA wouldn't normally open.</p>

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<p>b u m p ........</p>

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<p>bump</p>

<p>do colleges really look at senior year grades?</p>

<p>If I pull good grades senior year then my mich gpa is actually ~3.4</p>

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<p>Michigan's senior year grades are very important if you are deferred, and they request your senior year transcript. Indiana and MSU won't care, you'll get in there before you even get your first semester grades.</p>

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<p>does Michigan count freshman year? [AT ALL]</p>

<p>so I went to the NYU meeting, and even though I didn't learn anything new, they really sold me on it. </p>

<p>also, don't apply to stern ED...because chances are less there [because its stern]</p>

<p>consider NYU gallatin, its their school of individualized study, meaning you kind of make up your own major, so I would take lets say Finance + one of your interests [lets say film] or advertising or a pyschology or something like that. Because those will help you in life way more than just taking one business major, you will have BOTH. PLUS you take all your classes are Stern [business classes that is] check it out.</p>

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<p>Michigan doesn't count freshman year in calculating your GPA. However, it's still there for them to see. So if you have some C's, or even worse, they will see it.</p>

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<p>ok lets say person A had 3.6 sophmore and junior year....but 2.4 freshman year [all unweighted] vs. someone who had 3.6 all throughout...will they choose person B over person A? [presume they are very similar everything else wise]</p>

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<p>well if they are very similar everwhere else then they'd be likely to choose person B, since Frosh yr is the only think that makes a difference. If person a had like a 3.7 or 3.8 soph and jr yearsand a 2.4 freshman yr, compared to someone with straight 3.6s, then it wouldn't be an issue (actually, person A might have a better shot).</p>

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<p>I read somewhere that upward trends help a lot.</p>

<p>like a 3.0, 3.5, 3.8, 4.0 is more likely to be accepted than a 3.6 for all four years.</p>

<p>A2, Is UIUC mostly instaters like michigan? Since Ross is an overwhelming 1st choice for me, maybe I should just apply to umich, indiana, and MSU. </p>

<p>If I get rejected from ross pre., then do I have a shot at LSA? Or does a rejection from the Ross pre program mean i'm rejected period?</p>

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<p>what classes r u taking? APs?</p>

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<p>I'm taking the most rigorous sched. possible except for math. I'll have around 6-7 AP classes under my belt by senior year. Everything else is an AC/honors class. </p>

<p>Kind of regretting it....I would have a much higher GPA taking easier classes.</p>

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<p>badkarma: LOL 3.0 +3.5 + 3.8 + 4.0= 3.6
whereas 3.6+3.6+3.6+3.6= 3.6</p>

<p>there isn't much difference there, just showing improvement.</p>

<p>but 2.4+3.6+3.6=3.1 <------person A
and 3. 6 all three years=3.6 <---person B</p>

<p>lets say its NYU</p>

<p>EVEN though person A has a bad freshman year, can he/she STILL be competent compared to person B? [assuming test scores are the same, but person A has better EC's]</p>

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<p>thebrown - Sure, that would make sense, but I wouldn't worry about it. It's not calculated, and I don't think it matters. They tell you at visits, meetings, etc, that they don't use freshman year grades, as they see it as a transition year. They aren't used against, or for you, as far as i'm concerned. I'd say that both would be admitted, or both would be rejected, not one or the other.</p>

<p>Remember to make sure you calculate your UM GPA, as that's a better indicator of your chances. It's sophomore and junior year, academic classes, no pluses or minuses, no weighted. So all your B+'s in AP classes are only 3's, however, all your A-'s in regular classes are 4's. That's how Michigan looks at your GPA.</p>

<p>Badkarma - There were so many people rejected/waitlisted from the school this year, with such unbelieveable stats, that I really would worry about where you are applying. Each college (LSA, Engineering, Kinesiology, etc) all handles their admissions different at Michigan. If you are a girl, you'll have an advantage at Engineering. Guy, school of nursing. It's very easy to transfer. Or you could just indicate no major. I'd say apply to a school where you are in the minority, even if you don't even plan to consider going to that school. For example, if you're interested in business, apply to the school of Nursing. It will get you into the school. You apply for your major after your freshman or sophomore year, so your classes the first two years will be the same at each major. Then just apply for Business after your first year. Just tell them you had a "change of heart". It's a good way of getting into your college of choice.</p>

<p>As for UIUC vs. UM, you've got it wrong. Michigan has about 1 OOSer for every 3 people. Illinois has about 1 OOSer for every 9 people. They are basically all students from the Chicago area who want a cheap education, where as Michigan is a very diverse campus, almost one of a private school body. Illinois doesn't discriminate against OOS applicants, whereas Michigan does (but just slightly, they have to show an advantage to the tax-paying applicants).</p>

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<p>interesting.</p>

<p>A2Wolves, do you know anything about NYU? or any school for that matter, which count freshman year, but sometimes overlook it? [use the same scenario I gave earlier] </p>

<p>not counting freshman year would also benifit the OP</p>

<p>:]</p>

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<p>A2Wolves: So your saying I should apply to nursing? Are my chances at umich LS&A really that bad?</p>

<p>theBrown: Yea, it helps me alot.
I believe the UC schools and princeton do not look at freshman year grades.</p>

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<p>yeah, but a 3.5 doesn't get anyone into Princeton, lol.</p>

<p>hmm...sorry A2wolves, but I am rather skeptical about applying [as in badkarma or anyone really] to NURSING of all things, were you just using it as an example? doesn't uMICH have college of arts and science or a general studies school? apply as an Econ major [not at Ross] and then transfer...right?</p>

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<p>Well, the thing about nursing, is that men are tremendously underrepresented in that area. So if you show interest in nursing as an applicant, they will be more likely to accept you. It's almost like affirmative action. You don't have to apply to nursing, however, I was just throwing it out as a possibility. It will give you an advantage that you won't have as an applicant at any other department. I don't have any knowledge of NYU's admissions process.</p>