Financial Aid Advice for a Student Whose Parents Won't Assist with College

<p>It was suggested I pose a question asked in another forum here, so here goes. </p>

<p>Link to existing discussion</p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1337652-need-advice-realistic-chances-merit-aid-niece-2.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1337652-need-advice-realistic-chances-merit-aid-niece-2.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Summary:</p>

<p>I am aunt of student (female, HS class of 2013) with great GPA. Test scores are good but not great (27 ACT so far). Hoping for better but working with what it is now. Looking for a way to get her into a 4 year school that offers nursing or pre-med or medical technology where she could swing the cost on her own between merit aid and Stafford loans. Her parents don't understand the college system at all - her mother just realized now - after 2 years of explanations - what AP classes really are. Student is willing to work through college, work summers, etc and we will take care of transportation wherever she goes - so the concern really is how to pay for the basics (tution, room/board, books, fees), especially for the first year (perhaps she can RA later).</p>

<p>More financial info - dad makes 90k+ per year (probably more). Mom works and makes maybe 20-30k. They have 0 savings, are severly underwater on their home (guessing owe 200k on a 100k home) to the point where they gave it back earlier this year and moved into a rental. Now they are in a program where if they pay x amount for so many months, a certain amount of home mortgage will be forgiven. It’s very possible they would be turned down for a PLUS loan in which case student could take out more loans but I’d really like to see her minimize her debt as much as she can.</p>

<p>What state? Can she live at home? Maybe that’s on the linked thread.</p>

<p>Illinois. There is no 4 year school she can attend while living at home (2 hour commute one way minimum). There is a community college but for a student with 9 AP classes going in, that does not seem like a good option.</p>

<p>Has she tried taking the SAT? Students often do better on one than the other. Is she open to taking a gap year to work full time? She could accumulate a significant amount of money and as she’ll likely not be eligible for financial aid anyway, it won’t hurt her.</p>

<p>Why are you dismissing community college based on your niece’s AP classes? There are so many students in our area that take AP classes and then start their college journey at one of the many local community colleges. It certainly would not be a bad place to start…</p>

<p>Took SAT earlier this month, waiting on results (two more weeks!)</p>

<p>GAP year is really least preferred path.</p>

<p>THe crux of any college search is finding that affordable school that meets the student’s needs. If your niece wants to become a nurse or go into some other medical technology type program, the CC or local hospital programs maybe her best bet. My husband’s colleague who could have afforded any number of options has two daughters who went that route. It was for them the best way to achieve that goal. By living at home, she could cut down on cost a lot, and it seems that the 3 squares and a cot are all her parents are going to be able to give her. Which is a lot when you look at what room and board costs. So the local options, including the CC are really the most cost effective ways to go. From what I have been hearing a nursing program has no real safety options as they are competitive. BUt your niece’s grades will give her a good shot at it.</p>

<p>I also recommend that you look at Momfromtexas’s thread on Full ride schoalarships and start doing some searches using her tips, that may result in some full or near full rides for her. They would involve going to schools off the beaten track.</p>

<p>As you know, she is highly unlikely to get much financial aid. One child and parents at that income level will come out to a high EFC. Her test scores do not put her into a good place for any sizeable merit awards. Yes, it’s the test scores that count the most for scholarships. So she is really just looking at a maximum of $9500 in Stafford loans if her parents get turned down by PLUS.</p>

<p>Look at some of the in state options in Illinois and see if there are any that come close to being possible. I just don’t think so. I also think two hours each way is too much, though it may be the only viable 4 year option if a hospital program does not accept her. </p>

<p>The other thing to consider is for her to take out the maximum loans, work as much as she can as she goes to school locally, squeeze as much out of her parents and bank the unused loan proceeds, earnings and whatever. Perhaps open an account with her Mom and put the money in there for the future so it is not in under the student’s ssn and is payment for room and board while she is there. If she can accumulate the credits to transfer, she’ll then have those savings as well as what she can borrow as a transfer student. With a job, she might be able to squeeze by.</p>

<p>The other option which is what my friend’s girls did was for her to get a technical certificate or AA degree in a desirable field where she can find work that pays enough for her to then go move near a college where she can get her 4 year degree. My friend’s two DDs did this. They took CC coursse and got jobs in another city paying enough to make it a go and they got their 4 year degree, at least one of them did for certain, while working as a medical billing/coding clerk. She made enough money to be able to pay her for room and her other expenses and some. She then took part time courses at the local state u. SHe was not on campus, just found a room share in the student “ghetto” that was affordable. </p>

<p>None of these solutions are ideal, I know. But that is the reality of the choices unless a lottery ticket hits in the way of a nice scholarship. She should talk to her guidance counselor about where she could apply to maximize something else materialising, given that her parents are not going to be able to contribute to her college education. The school counselors often have info on where some kids hit some scholarship jackpots with her stats. </p>

<p>Once she has these plans in place that can work in case no school give her enough money to make it work, she can give some traditional outlets a go too. Sometimes things do come up. BUt this way her base is covered.</p>

<p>Look at the Universty of Central Missouri in Warrensburg, MO. ucmo.edu Run the OOS calcuator. They offer nursing and various other health majors.</p>

<p>I agree that the OP and niece should look at a number of colleges,but they should also be aware that many times the nursing program and other health major programs may have stats and issues that do not fit the mainstream policies of the college as a whole. If you want to apply to Purdue University , for instance, your chances of admittance are at about 80 something percent. But if you want to apply to the aerospace program there, your chances plummet waaaay down. Also some schools use those highly desired programs as their cash cows and a way to boost the average test score stats which makes them more competitive to gain admittance and kids applying to them are less likely to get merit money. I am familiar with this syndrome because one of my kids was applying to such a program. Colleges where he could have gotten in with merit money for nearly any major turned him down for his desired program where only a few kids were accepted. Nursing has gone this way at a number of schools. As have certain other health majors. I know a young woman who was accepted to a number of highly selective school, got merit at some selective school but was rejected from all pharmacy programs even at schools with practially open door admissions.</p>

<p>Need to clarify - this students has 2 siblings. One is HS class of 2012 who graduated by the skin of his teeth and has no plans for college at all. Military is very small possibility, otherwise this boy has no plans for the future whatsoever. He is working at local amusement park currently. There is also a 12 year old brother who has some special learning needs (I would guess Aspergers but I am not an MD and parents are not really that thorough here, either).</p>

<p>Interesting - will have to investigate more into the “Other”</p>

<p>Estimated Annual Costs </p>

<p>Tuition: $13435
Housing and Meals: $7326
Books and Supplies: $800
Other Fees: $840
Total Cost: $22401 </p>

<p>Estimated Assistance </p>

<p>Red and Black Scholarship: $4000
Non-Resident Scholarship: $6288
Stafford Loan (Subsidized): $3500
Stafford Loan (Unsubsidized): $2000
*Other Types of Financial Aid: $6613
Total: $22401 </p>

<p>Total Estimated Annual Cost to You: $0
*This assistance can include Federal SEOG grant, Federal Perkins Loan, Federal Work-Study employment, and Federal PLUS (parent) Loan aid.</p>

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<p>She will have most of her Gen Eds done via AP. She could just about graduate going in with a 2 year degree and then what - she would be a transfer student with less chance of getting merit aid. </p>

<p>I also think it’s a good idea for her to be away from her parents for a bit.</p>

<p>Here’s the thing: she isn’t likely to get merit aid anyways with her numbers. Maybe with a lot of work and using Momfromtexas methods and tips from the school GC, she could find a school that is tution free. That’s a lot of money to get from merit. It’s not a given. I am not saying she should not try, in fact she should, but those efforts all involve chance. If they don’t work out, she needs the base covered, and yes, cc is such a base. With 9 AP credits, she might be able to get into some nursing or health related program that will lead directly to an RN or other certification more quickly. If she can get through school in 3 years, that would be a tremendous savings, more likely than getting that kind of merit money. Get junior standing after a year at CC, and then have two years of college as a transfer student. What That’s $12K in loans a year. for two years, IF she saves something from that first year, she might be able to scrape up enough. Getting away would be wonderful but getting someone to pay for that privilege is the problem.</p>

<p>So, yes, she can apply to any number of schools in hopes that they come up with enough in scholarships to pay her way. But that all important base needs to be covered in case it does not happen.</p>

<p>* Yes, it’s the test scores that count the most for scholarships. So she is really just looking at a maximum of $9500 in Stafford loans if her parents get turned down by PLUS.*</p>

<p>If she can get her scores up a bit…to a 30 or even 28, she’ll have more merit options. </p>

<p>ALSO have her take the SAT!!!</p>

<p>What is her GPA?</p>

<p>There are schools that will give her large merit if she can get her GPA to a 28-30. UA-Birmingham is one and it has an EXCELLENT nursing school. </p>

<p>Her parents won’t get a Plus Loan, but your niece will then qualify for $4k more in loans…9500. That may not seem like much/enough, but seriously, by the time she graduates, she’s going to have about $42k in loans…that is a LOT. </p>

<p>Are you saying that her parents can’t help her with ONE CENT??? I can understand that they can’t pay their EFC, but they should be able to give her a couple of hundred a month. That can pay for books and fees.</p>

<p>Also have your niece work over the summer to save as much as she can.</p>

<p>What have her TEST SCORES been so far in her APs? That is what matters. She may have taken 9 AP classes, but the scores are what will matter.</p>

<p>Also, WHICH AP classes has she taken?</p>

<p>UAB scholarships…</p>

<p>Blazer Elite Scholarship
$15,000
Based on academic achievement (28-36 ACT and at least 3.0 GPA)</p>

<p>Blazer Gold Scholarship
$10,000
Based on academic achievement (26-27 ACT and at least 3.0 GPA)</p>

<p>Blazer Pride Scholarship
$5,000
Based on academic achievement (24-25 ACT and at least 3.0 GPA)</p>

<p>As you can see, she already qualifies for $10k per year. But, if she can get her ACT to a 28 (or equivalent M+CR SAT…I think 1250), then she’d get $15k per year.</p>

<p>That $15k per year would pay for all of her tuition and fees. OOS tuition isn’t high at this school. And, again, UAB has top-notch nursing! It also has a top-ranked med school. So excellent for the varous health-related majors. </p>

<p>Tuition and Fees: $14,256
Books and Supplies** $1000
Meal Plan $450 - $3,894
Total $15,706 - $19,150
Residence Hall (Blazer/Camp Hall)*** $5,200
Grand Total</p>

<p>SAT taken earlier this month, anxiously awaiting scores.</p>

<p>Weighted GPA is 4.38, unweighted about 3.9</p>

<p>APs Taken: APUSH and two others I don’t remember (not Calc though). Scheduled for next year: Govt, German, Lit, Chem and Psych.</p>

<p>She took one AP as a soph. but her parents didn’t give her the $ for the test so she didn’t take it. As you know, scores for this year not in yet. </p>

<p>UAB would be great if she can get her test scores up but she’s not there yet. I feel helpless waiting for scores so trying to research all I can in the meantime. </p>

<p>She is working but wants to save for a car as her parents moved her out of her school district (to the rental) so there is no bussing to school for her. Her brother was driving her last year but he’s now graduated. Her parents both work so they can’t take her to school. Last year for school registration they hadn’t move so they used the address of their old house and this year they techically still own that house so they can use that address again. </p>

<p>I typed but erased a whole paragraph on the parents and their values. The parents truly just don’t get it. They haven’t in all the years they’ve been parents, they are not going to change now. I can’t post what I’d like to for fear of niece reading this and recognizing her story. Her parents do love her in their own way - their way is just not how most parents are, where you do what you can for kids even if it means sacrificing on your own part. If she gets a chance to go away I will make sure they pony up for books and fees (or I will do that myself if it means the difference between attending and not).</p>

<p>Are you in the same community as she is? If not, do you have commutable 4 year schools near you? If this works, perhaps she could stay with you while attending school.</p>

<p>Forget the parents and the values. What you or she can’t change is not worth going into. She needs their cooperation with filling out the FAFSA and whatever else they can give her. Unless you want to taker her in, living at home is worth room and board. I’m both she and you want her out of there, but it’s a luxury to go away to school and unless she gets money from somewhere it isn’t going to happen.</p>

<p>She lives 10 minutes away - we are no help as far as being closer to a 4 year school.</p>

<p>She doesn’t want to get away from her parents. She’s not that kind of teen - hard to believe but she is grateful for whatever she gets and doesn’t question what she hasn’t gotten. Yet she doesn’t understand yet how precarious the college situation is neither do her parents, - she loves them and will just accept whatever they will or won’t do for her, no questions asked - but she doesn’t understand how improbable college is at the moment. </p>

<p>She could live with me in a minute if she wanted to. She is polite, respectful and hardworking. But moving in with me won’t change anything.</p>