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<p>To One and All,
I am a graduate of Kings Point. I cruise this forum quite often, but avoid posting. I would advise all that the internet is never as anonymous as you think, and certainly those in situations where their words can come back to bite them should be careful( ahem MIDSHIPMEN). This will be my only post on here, so I would like to make a few points on what I have noticed by browsing this forum for the last few months.</p>

<li><p>“Dear Midshipman-Please Shut Up”
Upperclasses: You have come back from sea, encountered strange people, maybe even been in some dangerous situations. Your parents brag about you, and when you talk to a member of the opposite sex you always try to build up your experience a little because it might just impress them. I think this describes most of you on this forum. Be proud of what you’ve done. You are the only college students in the country that can really make a claim to the have the type of experience Sea Year affords. That being said…
Shut up. A year of sea time, and most of you probably spend several months landside( especially if you were MSC), does not make you an expert in any sense of the word. You have seen great things, and done great things but you are not a conquering hero. Your advice is often unsolicited- and unsolicited advice is the worst of all. I know you think going to a “house of ill repute” or seeing some ladies of the night gives you insight into the larger issues of the world, but in really you are just one of many who have encountered the less savory aspects of the world. Parents do not need to hear about this. As stupid as some of these parents requests and inquires may seem to you, they are honest expressions of parents who are concerned ( don’t worry I will address the parents later). Leave the talk of late nights in foreign ports for Delano, if the parents want to know or need to know those things let it be settled between them and their children.
To all: When I was a midshipman I learned a lesson in how easy it is for a few loose words to get back to you. I would not think it prudent to make comments about company officers or other staff at the academy on a PUBLIC message board. The academy is not run as a democracy, and its problems will not be solved by whining online. If you have sincere disagreements with how things are done then try and make some positive changes there. Remember, change will only come with responsibility and responsibility often means not going to BHT on Tuesday or even having to deal with another midshipman who you detest in order to get something done. Time to grow up, if you don’t want it to be the Mystery Service then quit doing the same things you rail against in your posts.
There are many better ways to spend your time at KP than cruising forums for parents and candidates, even if Howard Wiener and the evil DoIT has taken away all the other fun parts of the internet. Maybe you could even be productive and start a message board for mids and grads-other academies have done it…</p></li>
<li><p>“Parents- The Art of Letting Go”
Kings Point was the best decision of my life so far. I am not yet married so I do not want to discredit any future spouse I may have by saying it is the best decision of all time. I am very happy with going there, and I say that knowing it was not my first choice when I was junior in high school. You should be proud of your children as I know you all are. They will need you support over the next few years and even afterward. Hopefully come graduation day you will see a different person than the one you dropped off at the gate four years earlier. This forum is a great support module for you but….
Let the little bird fly away from the nest. Maybe it is a product of the modern age, but there seems to be an ever increasing number of helicopter parents. Your need to hover over every small detail of your child’s live will not help them. Taking an interest and enjoyment in what they are doing is fine, worry about how you will contact little Johnny in the middle of the ocean and how much to pay for a sat phone is not. Less than a decade ago most ships did not have email, 20 years ago cadets would have to relay on mail, and during world war two many parents would never see their child again. I assure you that you will have plenty of contact with them while they are at the academy and at sea. Calm down, you’ve had them for 18 years and now they have to run the ball on their own for a while. I think anytime a parent is involved in a case that deals with anything less than their child being kicked out, having serious harm done to them , or going through a serious personal issue then that parent is hurting the child’s chances of being a adult by interfering. I balk at some of the inquires that you guys have on here, if you are that concerned please try an email to your kid or even the local alumni rep before posting it on a public board. Remember, mids look at this board too and no one wants to be the kid whose mom or dad writes embarrassing things about them every day ( it is quite easy to figure out who is who). Your child will be fine if you gave them the right background, if they need a little more maturity I am sure they will be fine also. Just try and lay off a bit.</p></li>
<li><p>Candidates/Non Grads-“If you don’t have something nice to say, don’t say anything at all”
Candidates you have made a great choice by looking into KP. Remember if you are trying to decide about collage, the mids and others on this message board can only speak to you from your experience. I am of the opinion that the only thing KP cannot give you is a lot of fluffier majors ( poly sci or humanities types) and a big name. Otherwise I will stack it exactly the same as any of the other academies. The debate can rage on and much anger will be expended but in the end it is all relatively useless to argue over which method one should use to serve their country. I know one person on this forum will certainly rail against even suggesting their precious canoe U is not THE only source of great naval officers, but in my personal experience no one school has a monopoly on great leaders/officers or in the opposing column total jerks. They both graduate from both institutions ( and other sources such as ROTC) and both make it to the fleet. What matters is the core material, any school cannot change that too much outside of getting rid of them ( and every school, no matter how good the vetting process, lets some scumbags through). Stick with what you know, if you went to a certain place then sell that school on what makes it great, not why it is better than somewhere else. All one is doing by starting worthless internet flame wars is wasting bandwidth.
So if you really want to learn about KP the best thing you can do is make a visit, talk to as many people as you can, and have a long term view. I had many mornings at the academy where I work up and was ready to call it quits. Usually a few hours later I was laughing at some very immature joke in Delano with my friends and back to normal. Seeing the sunset over the pyramids really made me appreciate my choice, and when I looked back on graduation day over what I had done, I only could think of how blessed I had been. What I am getting at is do not let yourself get caught up in small aggravations and let downs, and do not think any opinion is better than the next. </p></li>
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<p>That is all I have, and as I said this will be my first and last post. Fair Winds and Following Seas
BEAT COAST GUARD.</p>

<p>I find it quite sad that a few people with bad attitudes have basically ruined what has been (in the past) a very helpful and encouraging forum. I know that a lot of kids and parents who are thinking about Kings Point as an undergraduate education option look at this forum and when they see the negative bad things it makes them think twice about attending KP. I had to field quite a few questions about this forum last night at an admissions open house!</p>

<p>Again, please try to keep the posts to positive, supportive ones that encourage. KP is a hard, difficult school, but one that you should be proud of!</p>

<p>This is a thought provoking thread. As a new parent (2012 Plebe) I can tell you the best thing I did was join and get involved in my parents association. There are lots of supporting folks in my group and i will learn from them a great deal over the next 4 years. I hope i can support new parents next year as I've written down some of my thoughts during this InDoc. I've had a wonderful time and I think my Plebe has too! </p>

<p>I would like to see students with concerns take it to the school (and ask your parents for advice) but it needs to be the students making the requests.
I met a '44 grad this summer and I can only hope that my Plebe will have the same love for KP as this man has had for over 60 years! Hey if I were 18 again I'd apply!! (I just wouldn't have been smart enough...glad my Plebe didn't get my smarts gene!)
GO KP!</p>

<p>Spica, well said. As a parent I post infrequently. I find most of the threads to be negative and not worthy of my time. Parents, especially new parents seek advice and guidance from your local parents club.</p>

<p>I would like to add that MANY of the Alumni are just so very awesome. Most seem to be on standby to help the kids. It truly is amazing. I sure hope & pray my kid follows in their footsteps & steps up to help the incoming classes & their parents understand things the way that was done for him & our family. Chief reminded me of how infrequently Alumni is given credit for some of the successes of soon to be officers. Good people all. Tried & true. And I gotta say that most folks on here have been more than supportive. Deepdraft being pretty much a God in my book. 8kidsmom, Boss51 and so many others. Hell, I even kinda sorta like Bill. All isn't lost by a few naysayers & grumpy folks. Learning & caring stops when we're dead people, so keep the good work & we can only hope that the "others" stay in their lane & let us.</p>

<p>"kinda, sorta" THAT's the best I get after three long years . . . "kinda, sorta." WELL, now I have to go off to a corner and sorta "hmmmmph" around. [After all, I kinda thought we had a near thing going after my drive-by within about 300 miles of your home town this past summer.]</p>

<p>Now, JM, you and I both know--having been around this site a long time--that the tone and tenor of this site has deteriorated dramatically in the past two years.<br>
I started surveying the KP threads, again, about three months ago because of some curiosity about the discussion of KP purpose, etc. Plus, just get tired fo the same ol' posts on the Navy threads lambasting all who disagree with one opinion or the other. Too bad that some of the Navy animosity has infected justs about every other thread in the CC site.</p>

<p>Anyway, JM, it's all coming to an end for us--whether or not you want to admit it--and then you will be sent to the ol' folks home with the rest of us.</p>

<p>Ha ha Bill on fire as usual...and since when are you and JM an item? That MY girl...ha ha online anyway...hope Smilin' Bob isn't watching...haha.</p>

<p>All that said, Spica that was one of the best posts ever...Print it out and paste it to the wall folks. And kids, my rule always is, don't post anything on line that you wouldn't want your Granny to see...ha ha. :D</p>

<p>My only regret about JM is hearing her voice for the first time recently, she's no SOUTHERN BELLE...ha ha...more Midwest IMHO. :)</p>

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<p>Great point, Spica. It's a pity you did not post earlier and now insist on being only a one-shot wonder. I agree wholeheartedly with your assessment. My sole problem with the MMA forum has been misguided parents who insist that the MMA is the BEST source for all military service commissioning and specifically, Naval Aviaton because MMA has more seats than USNA.</p>

<p>One minor quibble with Spica...political science is not a "squishy" major...trust me as one myself and father of two others.</p>

<p>Along with the two semesters of calc, physics, chemistry, engineering, four of naut sci and some other delectable goodies, they have a rigorous curriculum of their own.</p>

<p>Now as a writer myself, I see you have some pretty good chops in that area...bless you.</p>

<p>Many kids who come to the Academies do not. They may know the square root of 1,567,888 by heart but couldn't spell cat if you spotted them the c and the t...HA HA old Terry Bradshaw joke, couldn't resist.</p>

<p>Seriously the polsci dudes and dudettes have about 200 pages of reading a week, write about 100 pages of papers a semester, participate in forums with admirals, ambassadors, Pentagon types and others.</p>

<p>They learn to think and talk on their feet at such things as Model UN, Academy forums, International Military Law competitions, etc. The CGA kids go toe to toe with the brainiacs from Yale, Harvard, MIT and so forth and hold their own thank you.</p>

<p>This year a group of these polsci "geeks" are doing as their Senior Capstone project some research for the North Atlantic Coast Guard Forum, a consortium of 19 countries such as USA, Norway, Sweden, Canada, Great Britain, etc. which will be presented in "real time" to "real officers" next March in Reykjav</p>

<p>Bill & Boss – ya’ll realize that I can actually read what you post right? Just checkin’. Didn’t know if scalawags knew stuff like that or not. In 9 more months, knocking wood, you won’t have old Jamzmom to kick around anymore. I’ve painted my rocking chair blue for my retirement. You guys get black ones. </p>

<p>Back on topic…..Thank goodness for the many choices soon to be officers have. I fear it wouldn’t be good if we were to have only one type of officer to serve this country. As has been said & read thousands upon thousands of times from what I’ve seen & said myself (insert exaggeration/exasperation here) on these forums, especially by the academy parents as they actually do “get it”, ALL of these young academy people will serve our country in one form or another & its all good. I used to adore reading about the pride all have for each other’s offspring & future leaders & what they’re doing & where they’re going. None of that going on so much anymore. Now most posts only seem to end up in defense of why folks even have pride in something or to have their knowledge ridiculed. The never ending smack talk is plain tiresome to the other 98% of people who just wanted to have a decent discussion. Not a very welcoming environment for anyone. Hence I won’t be getting into any of those “you sank my battle ship” rants. It is acceptable to just say no. It’s a freakin’ internet forum after all. Many of us have taken to pm's where its peaceful. :D</p>

<p>At the end of the day, all the crazy, albeit entertaining, Broadway show type posturing by a slight few on an internet forum holds no great importance to any of us in the big scheme of things. I’m sorry to say that I’ve had to remind myself of that a few times. Perspective has been found & is now being enjoyed. For candidates & parents, there are better ways to get facts & that’s through the Academies themselves. CC is not an official tool. Only a stopping place along the way to meet people with similar interests & perhaps glean a few tidbits of information for your consideration as you go down this crazy path. No one will have a better handle on your future than you & your family. </p>

<p>In re-reading Spica’s post….. all I can do is hope & pray that at graduation I see one of those compassionate type officers that I’ve come to admire. I have a suspicion that Spica is one of “those”. I’ll shut up now as I know the “shut up Jamzmom” is coming. Its ok I need to go away. I have a cake that needs icing so I will be happy all the live long day today. Three tiered 5 lb. chocolate monstrosity of a thing for a belated birthday to myself. Bill & Boss get no cake. All else may bring jugs & milk & a fork & c’mon over. </p>

<p>P.S. Parents, do ya ever get the feeling that we’re just nasty old dregs of society. We should all be scooped up & duct taped to a chair in a corner. LOL Can I take my cake with me?</p>

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Unfortunately, I guess, for those who want to make this a social cake baking club, there are those who continue to come here for factual pertinent information. It is a real pity that this social club, so intent on maintaining their irrelevant chatter, continue to despair those who attempt to help these new candidates. My understanding was that the parent's forum was created for these types of conversations.</p>

<p>My wife asked: Why do I STILL inhabit CC?</p>

<p>More gossipy than the parents listserve; you get some lowdown that doesn't otherwise make it through the listserve filters.</p>

<p>Of course, with that lowdown, comes the good AND the bad.
The good people speak for themselves. The bad, unfortunately, do too.
As was once said, the curiouser and curiousr I get, the more and more curious people become. How people will spend their day is amazing to me. What is more amazing is how some people seem to think that anybody REALLY cares about what it is they have to say.
Whatever it takes to make it through the day I suppose .</p>

<p>I swear I don’t know one soul that doesn’t love cake. No one I’ve met in person anyhoo. I’ve heard stories though. Kinda like Bigfoot. I pre-apologize to Spica for the original topic going to hell in a hand basket yet again but will plead patience & offer what Robert Frost once said: “Forgive me my nonsense, as I also forgive the nonsense of those that think they talk sense.” I plead patience. </p>

<p>So Bill, how could you go & tell the wife about all of “us”? You’ve been a closet cc’er for so long now. We’re like the carrot in front of the mule, dangling in front of the nose. WAIT! LISTEN! Do I hear, I Heard it Through the pm Grapevine playing? Oooo. I love it! Let’s dance!</p>

<p>We all love cake. However, this is not a cake decorating forum. I am sure if you search long enough, however, you will find one. Please don't, with superfluous nonsense, drive those away who are looking for help. It can be available here if you and your friends don't drive those away who are wanting to do so.</p>

<p>I had no idea that this thread was based on my tasty butter cream frosting. I won't sleep a wink tonight thinking that I am the one who is driving folks away. I just need to learn how one stops superfluous nonsense. Please advise.</p>

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<p>If life were only so simple. </p>

<p>Throughout our entire life journey we constantly arrive at forks in the road. Which is best, path ‘A’ or path ‘B’? When the novice traveler inquires of a more experienced one, would that person not be remiss to mention only the scenic views and great lodging and not the raging rivers to be forded, the washed out roads, the mountains to be scaled, the dangerous wild animals attracted by cake dropped along the path? Would the traveler not expect to want to know what is at the termination of each path? Which one puts him closest to his final destination? Would the guide not be remiss by not ensuring that he has all the facts?</p>

<p>All well thought-out decisions involve comparison, evaluating both the good and the bad, choosing the path that meets best with their assets, goals, and aspirations.. </p>

<p>What makes this journey doubly interesting are the bystanders at these forks in the road. Bystanders who have taken neither path. Bystanders with only second-hand limited knowledge of what lies ahead; their loved ones, for which they solely rely for information, still on the path. Not only do they give incomplete advice, not knowing really what lies at the end of each road, they heckle the guide, confusing those attempting to make a decision. Their over exuberance in providing moral support for their own loved one causes them to jaundice the advice they give to others. And even a little further off the path are those who even criticize the guide for becoming short tempered with the hecklers, telling them to go elsewhere for their advice, telling them to “eat cake”. </p>

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<p>Don’t belittle the forum as a source of valid information and don’t begrudge those who are attempting to help</p>

<p>Wow you sure do get up early. Did ya get that worm? LOL Sorry that I made you “despair” so over the cake part in my #12 post. I couldha swore I wrote more about other stuff.  </p>

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<p>Why whatever could you mean? I fear one of us is misunderstanding the other yes? Telling them to go elsewhere for their advice? Nope. I said, “FACTS” not advice. Kings Point is not the best & #1 source of information no? You lost me there. If I’ve been steering folks wrongly all these years, for goodness sake, be blunt with me man & just say cause I’ll need to stop that! As to the advice part you mentioned, which I consider a horse of a different color, I can only comment on the KP side of things where I read pretty much every day how all the Mids, (well 99% of them, there is that one kinda loopy odd funny guy) super Alumni & parents are helping each other out. Its all good stuff from where I sit. I lurve those kind folks.</p>

<p>I’ve been such a grateful beneficiary of that good type of help on many occasions. I said it here earlier, & have said many many times in the past, that those on this forum are mostly all very supportive. I hope most took that to mean that the advice, on the KP side since that’s where I’m postin’, is almost always good from within the KP community itself. The facts that come directly from the Academy are what I feel folks need to look at closely & first hand for their own safety. Sorry I came across as all mysterious about that. Whew! Sure glad I had the opportunity to clear up any misunderstandings I may have caused. Thanks for pointing it out. I didn’t see it quite the same way. </p>

<p>Kudos to 69 for the whole mountain scenario. Very well written & so true. I’m grateful to you for the warning about the dangerous wild animals attracted by cake dropped along the path. Scary stuff! Oh Noes! Can’t have lions & tigers & bears OH MY! carrying any of us off ! No cake in your pockets when you go to the mountains folks! I have ½ a cake left. Sigh. So much chocolate & so little time…… </p>

<p>GO KP! You awesome little academy!</p>

<p>I'm actually finding this quite amusing. There is a big difference in KP and USNA in that KP is a very small school. Because of that, the KP parents become a very close knit group of friends and therefore, many of us know each other on this board in person and know many of the Mids by first name. For the "soon to be" KP parents that ask questions we are actually quite capable of answering them.</p>

<p>Upon my son entering KP, VDAM Stewart said to all the parents, "Welcome to the Kings Point Family," and I for one cannot echo those words loud enough.....It truly is family. Like all family matters there is always a little complaining but, like all families we take that with a grain of salt and show support.</p>

<p>bravo zulu 69. well put.</p>