<p>I know a kid that plays a different sport that was considering between Notre Dame and Penn. Penn determined that the kid had a much higher need for aid then Notre Dame did. Not sure how the aid process works for either college, but it sure appeared to me that Penn wanted the kid for the sport a lot more and therefore gave him more aid.</p>
<p>From an AI perspective, this student would have gotten 110 AI points for his SAT scores, although his SAT IIs could have boosted this slightly. If his school did not rank their class, his weighted GPA of 4.6 would have give him a full 80 AI points. A total AI of 190 would get a premier football player into Princeton any day if they wanted him and the admission would stand up to Ivy League standards. 171 is the lowest possible AI score accepted. The average AI for Princeton admittees is around 210. Non football atheles average around 200 - some higher, some lower. Football has AI bands, which this student would certainly fall within.</p>
<p>Princeton is admitting the class they want. The overwhelming criteria is academic. Additional criteria, however, include admitting students from varied background, students of exceptional achievement in their extracurricular activites, URMs, and legacies. Just as this student will benefit from exposure to his classmates at Princeton, they will gain much from the their exposure to this young man and his background.</p>
<p>I thought I read somewhere (can’t remember where or find an article) that the average AI for admits was 230… Where do you see 210 as the average for Princeton?</p>
<p>A site that pops up at the link below discusses football AI in detail. The author’s email goes to unpopulated site called Illinois Football Recruiiting.</p>
<p>[Calculating</a> the Ivy League Academic Index](<a href=“http://home.comcast.net/~charles517/ivyai.html]Calculating”>http://home.comcast.net/~charles517/ivyai.html)</p>
<p>A perfect AI of 240 would be generated by perfect SAT score of 1600 for CR + M and a 4.0 unweighted GPA. As exceptional as Princeton admitees are, the author of this site assumes a 220 AI for HYP. An assistant coach suggested to me that the 210 - 215 range was accurate for non athletes. They do not release this number, so there is a lot of speculation. The author’s assumption regarding the mid range of acceptable AIs for HYP corresponds to what I was told by a HYP assistant basketball coach. 195 got you past the admissions office, if the coach wanted you and your recommendations and other credentials were in line.</p>
<p>The Ivy we visited told us the average student body AI was 210 (not HYP).</p>
<p>Since when do Ivy athletes sign LOIs?</p>
<p>Also, bballdad, how are you calculating AI points from GPA? That link only seems to deal with class ranking.</p>
<p>The table on the link below was posted by a site call AcademicRecruits.com. Again, this information is not released by the Ivies and its provenance is questionable, but it appears to the real deal. Maybe some info is better than no info.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.academicrecruits.com/crs%20final.pdf[/url]”>http://www.academicrecruits.com/crs%20final.pdf</a></p>
<p>For a fuller discussion, look at the thread AI and GPA for multiples thoughts and experiences.</p>
<p>The 210 number is surprising to me. I know quite a few kids from my son’s school that were above 210, some quite a bit above 210, that got denied or waitlisted at Ivys. The college counselor told most of the kids that in his experience what he has seen is 230 will get you in, 220 will get you waitlisted, 210 will probably be a denial. These are primarily upper class white students from a highly regarded private school in Florida. Many with great ECs and great essays. Not many, if any, URMs.</p>
<p>220 is the mean AI at HYP. Cornell and Dartmouth are lower (that is a mean across the board; athletes are generally asked to be within one standard deviation; this is what was told to us by my son’s hs counselor and the Ivy we visited). The higher AI’s are required for “soft sports”…think track, swimming.</p>
<p>Also, keep in mind that at HYP, 220 is the average. It includes special consideration given to applicants that are athletes, legacies, URMs, and students that have special skills or talents that are desirable to the university. All told, this could amount to a percentage of the freshman class that could reach 15% - 25% or higher. To get to the 220 AI average, the other, “regular” applicants have to have higher AIs to balance the mix to the 220 AI average. And those kids applying are up against a pool of applicants where one in twenty gets accepted.</p>
<p>An interesting article can be found at the attached link. Excerpted from the 2006 book, The Chosen - the history of admissions and opportunity in the Ivy League", it details Princeton’s history of evolving its admissions and aid policies as priorities changed over time as they balanced their admission criteria and policies to tailor the class to meet their objectives.</p>
<p>[PAW</a> February 15, 2006: Features](<a href=“http://www.princeton.edu/~paw/archive_new/PAW05-06/08-0215/features.html]PAW”>PAW February 15, 2006: Features)</p>
<p>[PAW</a> February 15, 2006: Features](<a href=“http://www.princeton.edu/~paw/archive_new/PAW05-06/08-0215/features.html]PAW”>PAW February 15, 2006: Features)</p>
<p>jgrader is correct. the bottom line:
IVY League schools - no sports scholarships;
what sports does is give you the edge on acceptance provided the school is interested, u have the gpa, sat scores. athletic ability may make the difference between acceptance and rejection…</p>