I’ll wait for the data to get subpoenaed in the Harvard & UNC admissions discrimination lawsuits. Then we’ll see whether there is or isn’t a smoking gun.
Until then, this debate is more of the same…
Its not the Asian correlation. The correlation is with high income levels. I read somewhere that kids with parents having income level above 200k score, on an average twice as much as those with income levels below 40k ( Not sure about the numbers though).
On an average, Asian Americans are pretty well off, as they are largely high level immigrants from better off backgrounds back home. So, yes as compared to blacks, their SAT scores will be higher. SAT does not really test your IQ, it tests your preparation and composure.
I might be wrong in my analysis though.
OK, a hijack here:
My son is adopted from Korea. (His two sisters are our biological kids, Irish/Italian.)
My son does NOT fit the Asian stereotype-- he’s a B student, and that’s an increase from past years.
When they ask on applications about his ethnic background, would it make more sense to decline to answer, or to answer that he’s Asian?
^^ if he has an Irish/Italian last name, then it would be pragmatic to decline to answer.
GMT data doesnt get subpoenaed from defendants it gets discovered. Also from a quick reading the plaintiffs dont have a cause of action since there is no private right of action in the two lawsuits you mentioned
@bjkmom, if you need thoughts, you may want to start a thread. There are a number of CC parents with kids adopted from Asia.
All I can say is LOOK AT BERKELEY(AA cancelled) and HARVARD, their distribution of races and then tell me that being URM or ORM does not change a thing at harvard.
@bjkmom, it doesn’t sound like he is a very strong candidate grade-wise where this scenario plays out. It is Ivies, Stanford, MIT, and a handful of top research universities. If his application list is a realistic match with his grades, the score bias won’t even come into play.
Berkeley is a state school, in a state with a high percentage of Asian American kids. Harvard is private and mostly tries to balance kids from all parts of the country. Not the same.
@lookingforward
California’s Demographics:
White (not including Hispanic)- 39.0%
Black- 6.6%
Asian- 14.1%
Hispanic- 38.4%
Other- 1.9 %
Berkeley’s Demographics:
White (not including Hispanic)- 24.9%
Black- 2.9%
Asian- 40.7%
Hispanic- 13.6
International/Other- 17.9%
I really don’t think California’s demographics played THAT big of a role in Berkeley’s high enrollment of Asian students- that’s a 26.6 percent difference between the percent of Calif. residents that are Asian and Cal students htat are Asian. It’s because they’re getting better test scores and grades.
@qwerty568 San Francisco and Santa Clara county are each about 34 per cent Asian
And because they are applying in large numbers because of the appeal of the UCB name (research university with a strong reputation). You won’t see the same imbalance at, say, Williams because the applicant pool is more balanced.
I saw somewhere that Harvard’s applicant pool was 20% Asian. Sure the applicant pool may be more competitive, but it’s right around the percentage of Asians in the class of 2018.
So you’re saying that applicants should immediately be put in separate racial buckets and compete against only applicants in that bucket?
So let’s have Olympic games w a 100m dash event for white runners, a 100m dash event for asian runners, and a 100m dash event for black runners.
@GMTplus7 Asians are judged as a group, African Americans are judged as an individual so in a way they are put in separate racial buckets.
@qpqpqp: Direct evidence for that claim, please?
It’s obvious with the stereotype Asians are 2400/4.0 math club, violin, piano, etc. so they are compared against each other. However blacks do not have this stereotype.
No matter how much we want to think this isn’t true. It is a fact Asians are discriminated in the college admissions process.
So you’re saying there are no stereotypes facing African Americans in the college admissions process? dfbdfb asked, an utterly dumbfounded look on his face.
Not ones such as they all have 2400/4.0 GPAs. Most of their stereotypes is bad test scores and grades so their stereotypes actually help them.
Help them how?
No, seriously. You seem to be saying there’s a thumb on the scale on behalf of African Americans because of existing negative stereotypes. Given college acceptance rates by ethnicity, I’m having a lot of trouble seeing it.