For current high school seniors and college MTs, what kind of training have you had?

I have a college senior who is a BFA Acting major and a high school senior currently waiting for BFA Acting acceptances. My high school freshman is interested in Musical Theatre for college, so I need to switch hats a little for him.

Would those who’ve been accepted to various MT college programs mind sharing what types of training your kids have had (dance, acting, vocal, etc.), how long they’ve been training in each, and what colleges you’ve gotten decisions from (and/or which colleges you think your kids are a good match for, based on their training–if you haven’t heard from schools)?

Thanks in advance!

My D is a junior BFA MT student. Her story may be a bit different than others here. She went to a big public HS (over 400 students), and took choir and theater all 4 years. She had a private voice teacher for all 4 years of HS (who did NOT teach her to belt because she did not want her to wreck her voice). She was in school plays and musicals and performing show choir her last three years of HS, and did summer stock musicals locally each summer in high school. She did a lot of show choir dance, but because of her busy schedule, classes, etc. she did not do private dance lessons in HS; most of her dance training was show choir or musicals She did dance from around age 5-11, but then nothing truly formal. . She also had an audition coach for her college auditions, and did a week intensive locally one summer with a professional music theater troupe who were the ones to tell me my daughter had the talent to get into a BFA program.

What would I tell you about your son based on my D’s experience? One, make sure he takes dance, especially ballet, and sticks with it. It’s the one thing my D says she would do if she had it to do all over again. Second, participate where you can in shows, but don’t sweat it if you’re not the star. In all the musicals and plays my D ever did in HS she had the lead just once in a play, not a musical. And yet she was accepted to several BFA programs. Coming from a big HS with a lot of competition, and from a city where there was a lot of summer stock competition, actually helped her adjust to college more quickly than others who were big fish in small ponds.

Sorry , I meant to say her high school had over 4000 students, over 1100 in her class alone.

D who graduated NYU Steinhardt with a concentration in MT had ballet/tap training for many years starting in elementary school. In high school she stopped ballet because of time constraints, but continued taking tap in lieu of gym class. She began doing school shows in 7th grade and always got leads/ supporting roles depending on her grade level. She began to take private voice lessons at about 12 years old focusing on classical music in order to practice for NYSSMA. In high school, she began weekly voice lessons that continued to support her classical training, but also began to build MT repertoire. From the age of 9 she attended a performing arts camp (Usdan) that offered excellent training in dance and theatre. They put on musicals each summer and she was always the female lead. She was very involved in choir and founded and managed an accapella group in high school. Meetings were at our house for 4 years.

The summer before senior year she attended the NYU Steinhardt Musical Theatre intensive. She was lucky to be accepted to NYU for talent based on her work that summer.

She also applied and was accepted to Muhlenberg (lots of merit aid), GW (with presidential talent scholarship in voice), American (with merit aid and $ from music department). Since she had the talent acceptance from NYU, she didn’t apply to any other audition MT programs, but was accepted in Brandeis (merit aid) and Barnard as well. Decided on NYU in the end, especially with a non-need based talent scholarship.

D wanted a BM program as a first choice because her strength was voice and she wanted the music degree if she someday wants to teach. She also only looked at very strong academic programs that offered performance options. She wanted the option of double majoring or having strong minors. She ended up as an English lit minor and a minor in The Business of Entertainment, Media and Technology.

Thank you @jeffandann and @uskoolfish !
Related question for all–I was at NY Unifieds for my Acting son and heard of some dance calls that kids felt were super-easy and some that were tough. Any impressions from the kids here who attended dance calls (anywhere)?

My D thought Pace’s dance call was the most difficult.

Penn State and Syracuse were the most challenging based on my daughter’s experiences. (She did not audition for Pace)

My S is a sophomore at Wright State. Here are two terrific past threads that address the “backgrounds” of MT Classes of 2018 & 2019. There are also a few “If I had to do all over again” threads that may be helpful.
http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/musical-theater-major/1616849-final-decisions-background-class-of-2018-p1.html
http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/musical-theater-major/1724734-final-decisions-background-class-of-2019-p1.html

My daughter, who is a fairly experienced dancer, thought Point Park’s dance call was by far the most difficult, and she auditioned at Pace and CCM, both of which she’d heard had hard dance calls.

My D thought Texas State’s dance call was one of the most challenging. She is a very experienced dancer so she said it wasn’t difficult for her but it included a long combo, a lot to remember.

I’m a senior awaiting MT decisions, and let me say for your son, get him in dance classes. Jazz, ballet and tap. If a guy can dance, it gives him an edge in audition. I do think vocal lessons are extremely important, so try to find someone that has a legit technique and possibly is familiar with all this crazy audition stuff! Acting, I say camps and just being in shows is usually enough. In my area no one is good enough to teach a stand alone acting class/lesson in my opinion. I’m saving that training for college. In a nutshell, these are my recommendations! You have time, but the competition grows every year, so best of luck!

Both my boys went to private Catholic high school with a strong performing arts department. They started doing plays/musicals in middle school in earnest. They had six summers of performing arts camps – local/regional only, not any of the big well-known names, but solid programs with strong instruction and good acting/musical theatre performing opportunities. They did local youth community theatre, too. They took private voice lessons starting in high school. As for dance, they only took basic ballet and jazz once a week for about 3 years, and a few months of tap. We just couldn’t fit it all in. (I do think ballet is the most important thing if you must focus on one area of dance.) What initially got my boys into musical theatre was piano. By HS graduation, they’d both had about 12 years of piano into advanced competition level, plus advanced music theory and they loved playing “show tunes” (both passed AP Music Theory test without taking the class in school. I remember them coming home from a camp audition around 7th grade amazed that the accompanist “could play anything.” I told them that if they stuck with piano they would be able to do that too. Something clicked that summer and they really started focusing on piano and musicality in a way that also improved their vocals and sight-singing. It was like a key turning. Flash forward and both my boys have had gigs as accompanists and assistant music directors – a nice “survival job”.

You will find that there are plenty of students in college MT programs (maybe even most) that are light on the acting training. But they won’t all be and those that enter with acting training will stand out in that discipline the same way the highly trained dancer will in dance. I sent my MT off to college more than anything else with strong acting training. It continues to be a strength for her today that has opened doors.

But when training begins matters more in dance. You can work your butt off in dance in college, but chances are you will never catch a talented MT who enters college as a highly-trained dancer. I’ll concede that. So though it makes me cringe to say so @lovetoact and it probably makes you cringe to hear it since you also have two kids on the BFA acting track, that advice about dance for your HS freshman son is pretty good especially if you have to triage which most of us find we do. That’s not a bad age (for a boy especially) to get going with the dance in earnest. I’ve also got a college senior awaiting graduation in a BFA MT track and I can tell you the males who stand out as dancers (all else being equal) get work.

Note that I didn’t mention anything about vocal training. It’s MUSICAL Theatre. I sort of take that as a given. Shout out to @MTTwinsinCA above, @SoozieVT and others whom were also smart enough or randomly lucky enough to be sure their kids could play the piano. GREAT SKILL to start early. Huge asset in this business.

Randomly lucky @halflokum – I wish I could say we had a grand plan in all of this. :wink:

Thank you all for your advice! Wow, we are so lucky to have each other on this forum! What did performing arts families do before CC?

The big piece of advice that I’m taking is to start ballet! He’s in his second year of tap and has taken intermittent voice lessons, so we’re getting on that more consistently too.

Thank you all for your advice! Can’t wait to hear where all of our children end up!

I didn’t originally plan to respond to this topic (a good topic though), since I have in the past, as iit is a topic that comes up from time to time. However, several recent posts on the thread are things I can truly relate to and so I am chiming in after all.

First, @MTTwinsinCA posts #11 #13 are ones I can really relate to on the topic of piano. With my MT performer, there was no “plan” to take piano for a MT career! However, both my kids, took piano for ten years starting at age 7, just as an activity. Both also studied a second instrument and were in concert band and jazz band for years. My MT kid took piano lessons for 10 years (up to starting college) and took flute for five years (starting at age 8) and then took guitar for her three years of high school. She never took a class in Music Theory. However, her private piano teacher was very heavy on including music theory in lessons and homework. In fact, when D got to NYU/Tisch’s MT program, where there was a two year Music Theory course requirement, and she placed out of it. But she never took piano due to her MT interests. It just was one of many activities my kids were exposed to, including learning a second instrument.

However, as I have written on this forum in the past, I can’t begin to tell you how beneficial it has turned out for my D to be a pianist and a musician in general in terms of her career in MT. Like @MTTwinsinCA 's sons, my D has had “survival jobs” post college as a vocal coach in a BFA program, as an accompanist for BFA Vocal Performance classes, as a musical director for college and professional productions, as a musical director in youth theater programs, and so on (though she hasn’t done any survival jobs in the past 3 years since she is booked solid with other career work).

But beyond those types of survival jobs, her ability to play instruments has been handy in her casting as a MT performer in musicals. In fact, she is on stage right now Off Broadway, in a show where she not only wrote all the music and lyrics for the production, but she sings all the songs, plus plays piano and accordion on stage. In fact, the previous two professional productions she has been in and the next one she is cast in after her current show, ALL require her to play an instrument on stage, besides singing/acting/dancing. A few years ago, she was cast in an Off Broadway production that required her to play accordion, an instrument she had never played. She had one month to learn how to play it, but that was possible, in part, because she was so adept at playing musical instruments, having done so her entire life. In fact, she loved the accordion so much after learning to play it for that role, that she bought an accordion and has used it in two subsequent professional productions and the next one she is cast in. She also plays it, besides piano, in all her concerts. As well, in a recent workshop of yet another musical, she also had to play an instrument. And she got very far in final callbacks for the lead in two Broadway musicals/tours which required the lead to play piano (even though she wasn’t cast). She knew how hard it was to be cast, but at least the audition pool was cut in size to who could play piano competently.

I also think the fact that she understood music so well from her years growing up playing instruments, that she not only could sight read music (very helpful for a MT singer and in auditions), but she became a composer/lyricist of musicals and a singer/songwriter, even though she did not train in that area formally in college. She now has careers going in both those areas, in addition to being a MT singer/actor/dancer. Again, there was no big plan to do this for her career when growing up. No different than her years of figure skating or ski racing lessons! (the last two, she doesn’t use now)

Back to the original topic…My D’s training/background prior to starting college (which she did at 16) was:

She grew up in rural Vermont.

She was in multiple MT productions starting with a professional one at age 4 1/2. These were either school shows, adult community theater productions (no youth theater where we lived), regional productions (a couple that were professional), summer theater camp productions, and an out of state professional gig that lasted two years periodically ages 11 to 13. In school shows, she was typically the lead.

She took piano for ten years, flute for five years, guitar for three years. She was in concert band through 8th grade on flute. She was in jazz band in 7th to 11th grade (graduated after 11th) on piano and vocals.

She was always in school chorus and also took part in All States.

Voice lessons starting at age 12.

Dance classes from age 3 to high school graduation, at a dance studio…In high school, this was about 13 hours/week…she studied ballet, jazz, tap, lyrical, and hip hop. Throughout high school, she was in a selective teen jazz dance repertory troupe and same with a tap troupe (our studio did not participate in competitions).

In 10th and 11th grades, she created, produced, directed, musically directed, choreographed, and performed in a student run musical theater review, something never done at our high school. Actually, back in 3rd and 4th grades, she had an independent study at our elementary school in lieu of attending spelling classes, and it was to write original musicals (but she didn’t use music notation).

Eight summers of theater camp, ages 9 to 16 at Stagedoor Manor, which includes training in all the disciplines, putting on musicals, and in her case, also performing in a select musical theater cabaret troupe. Those 8 summers were quite a significant part of her youth.

Our high school (or community) had no drama classes. My D had no acting training, other than being in shows (which is not truly training, but it is experience), and whatever classes she had at summer camp.

Five months of monologue audition lessons with acting instructor in her college audition year.

Various awards in the high school years, like State Scholarship winner in Voice and in Jazz and NFAA Young Arts Merit Award.

@soozievt I’ve read so many of your helpful posts here so thank you for details on this one! I think what’s also important to note from your daughter’s journey is her ability/willingness/initiative to create. That seems to be super-important—not just waiting for the opportunities to come to you. Thank you for your post!

I’ve been performing on stage since I was 6. I have had experience with other aspects of the theatre such as playwriting, directing, stage management, dramaturgy, costume design, and technical theatre.

Most of my on stage experience comes from community theatre productions as well as my school’s theatre department. I have also been fortunate enough to audition for shows in NYC, as well as other non-equity projects. I was exposed to the other off stage theatrical occupations in my IB Theatre course that we have at my high school. It is a 2 year course that solely focuses on theatre and the world. My sophomore and freshmen year of high school I was able to take a course called “theatre arts 1 and 2” which was a pre-requisite for IB Theatre.

My dance training has originated at different studios based upon where I live, as well as NYC “Steps on Broadway” and “Broadway Dance Center” (BDC). I train for more than 6 hours each week, and take classes in ballet, jazz, musical theatre dance, lyrical, contemporary, and tap.

My acting background comes from my fall drama productions at my high school, as well as an acting coach I was able to find through a musical college theatre audition website. My director for the straight plays at my high school also helped tremendously. So did the IB Theatre course.

I have been taking voice lessons for the past 10 years, studying with a couple of different teachers as my voice changed. I now study with a teacher in NYC, and she is wonderful.

I wish you the best of luck in your training, and college audition/acceptance journey!

Thank you for your note @lovestoact Truly, my daughter would advise others that in this field, you can’t just wait for work to come to you. Get out there and create work, perform, etc. Sometimes work has come to my daughter. But a lot of other things have happened because she created work for herself.

I happen to be in NYC for a day and a half right now. Yesterday is a case in point. I saw my daughter starring in an Off Broadway show. In that particular case, she got it by auditioning for it. However, the show involves original work of hers in it. Then, following her matinee, we went onto yet another performance of hers last night at a private club where someone knew of her work and invited her to perform for the evening but it was more like an interview in front of an audience, interspersed with her performing original songs. That was more of an opportunity (paid) that came about due to creating her own work.