<p>Oh that's right. You have another outlier datapoint to add. That's right. Harvard is only third.</p>
<p>Byerly, Rockefeller University has no undergraduates.....</p>
<p>Well we can't pick and choose, Mother dear, when we're assembling our little lists, eliminating inconvenient "outliers" (one of your favorite words!)</p>
<p>Either we take the lists and rankings as is, or we modify them to suit our agenda, as you are wont to do.</p>
<p>Oh, and Prepster, as to whether Rockefeller University's mix of students should be taken into account in calculating Alumother's favorite stat - "endowment per student" - ... if THAT is a factor, well then the Havard Extension School has "no undergraduates" either. </p>
<p>Come to think of it, neither do Harvard Law School, Harvard Medical School, Harvard Business School, the School of Education, etc.</p>
<p>true, which means at harvard most of the endowment goes to its undergraduate-less professional and graduate schools, while at princeton, almost all of the endowment goes to undergraduates.</p>
<p>Thats not true. You are obviously clueless about the allocation of the endowment at either school, and are just inserting your usual brand of hostile and negative commentary.</p>
<p>talk about inserting commentary!!! you're the one who derailed two discussions on princeton with your egomaniacal obsession with harvard. </p>
<p>so tell us, what percent of harvard's endowment goes to FAS, and what percent of FAS's allocation is undergrad (maybe this is not known, how about what is the ratio in the FAS of undergrad's to grad's, I remember rougly 2:1)?</p>
<p>then, what percent of princeton's endowment goes to princeton college?</p>
<p>Crimsonbulldog, Harvard's endowment works in odd ways. Every division of the University has its own endowment. FAS has a completely separate pool of money from the B school, which has a completely separate endowment from the Law School, which has....you get the point. While all of the endowments are ultimately governed by the Harvard Corporation and managed by the Harvard Management Company, they are almost completely autonomous from one another.</p>
<p>The FAS is by far the wealthiest of any division of the University, followed by HBS. There are "poorer" divisions, such as the Divinity School and the Ed School. FAS has, in proportion to its size and percentage wise, has the largest endowment in the University. Therefor the College is very, very well funded.</p>
<p>Am I right, Byerly?</p>
<p>I can't stand how Byerly has to insert his obviously anti-Princeton and pro-Harvard comments EVERYWHERE on this board! Why not leave us alone? Or at least for a while. I don't know about anybody else but I find your posts to be very bothersome. It's almost as if your only purpose is to constantly bring down other schools. Harvard is a great institution-- why don't you post all about its glory on the Harvard board? Therefore, aspiring Harvard students that glance through the posts on Harvard's board will see how great Harvard is. This board is about Princeton. </p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
<p>--David--
Miami, FL</p>
<p>More or less, although there are sums held for central administration and overhead that are either unallocated or allocated in an arbitrary fashion so as to make comparisons difficult if not impossible.</p>
<p>The Bulldog knows this; he's just being his usual contrarian self. Any review of his previous posts will reveal a single-minded devotion to taking Harvard down a peg whenever the opportunity presents itself. That's OK. He's got a right, as long as he avoids ad hominem attacks.</p>
<p>And Mighty chip... my posts on this thread HAVE been predominently about Princeton ... and not at all "anti-Princeton." I believe it is one of the world's great colleges. When admissions-related stats are presented, however, I think they should be acturately presented.</p>
<p>It is not my understanding that discussion on pages dealing with various schools are to be nothing but sweetness and light, with never a discouraging word ... little "ghettos" as it were, into which "outsiders" are not allowed. </p>
<p>Why not address the issues being discussed?</p>
<p>You should ask yourself the very same question, Byerly? When an issue about X arises, you always seem to turn into a "why X is better han Y" debate. </p>
<p>--David--
Miami, FL</p>
<p>You are quite mistaken. I have never denigrated any school .... EVER.</p>
<p>you are a stats person....why don't you post your own. ashamed?</p>
<p>Byerly, what would it prove if we all yielded the point that Harvard is better than Princeton? We can't all go there.</p>
<p>Lots of you don't want to go there. And what better means in this case is worth discussing to educate the class of 2010. My position is that better is whatever you will most enjoy.</p>
<p>I find comparisons so inadequate. A college is not a major league team. Every university is really a collection of small communities, academic and social and athletic and artistic. Even within the very most prestigious -- which P and H both are -- these communities are made up of individuals who vary in ability to produce, interest in nurturing, and resources. A prospective student is well advised to look way beneath the "reputation" and go and visit the departments of interest and connect with students in his or her EC areas. There is really no substitute.</p>
<p>Not bad advice, but difficult for many students to manage.</p>
<p>For classes of 2010 and beyond, the total sticker price tag on an elite education will approach $200,000. </p>
<p>Applicants and their families will not want to make this investment casually, and reputation and rankings cannot be ignored.</p>
<p>Just as you want to check Consumer Reports, etc before you buy a microwave or a digital camera, the average applicant and his or her family will want to "read the reviews" and consider the "company's" reputation before spending $200,000 on its "product."</p>
<p>Just going the touchy-feelie route is too much of a risk. Furthermore, surveys show that the overwhelming majority of college students are satisfied with their school no matter hoew much - or how little - work went into selecting it. </p>
<p>The whole concept of "fit" as something an 18-yr old can figure out in a 3 hr campus visit is way overdone, IMHO.</p>
<p>I find it quite funny that this is a Harvard versus Princeton bash. Byerly, Pton and Harvard are just as prestigious and people grovel when they hear those names... so, why does it matter?</p>
<p>im visiting both harvard and princeton in a few weeks. I wonder how I'll like it... im mainly looking at the medical oppurtunities each will give me because I plan to go to med school.</p>
<p>Who's "bashing?" I have never "bashed" Princeton - or ANY school for that matter. Both Harvard and Princeton are excellent schools and will prepare you well for medical school.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wsjclassroomedition.com/pdfs/wsj_college_092503.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.wsjclassroomedition.com/pdfs/wsj_college_092503.pdf</a>
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<p>Byerly is telling you kids that you are too something (dumb? naive?) to know what you want and therefore you should choose the item stamped broadly #1.</p>
<p>What I knew at 17 I know to this day. I know more now than I did then, but my instincts were correct.</p>
<p>What can I tell ya, Byerly. My d and I visited the three schools that ended up tops on her list 4 times each before she applied ED! After a while I started worrying they would start charging us tuition. ;)</p>