For those who got shafted by UF admissions

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<p>Here is a constiturional ammendment passed in Michigan forcing universities to admit based on QUALIFICATIONS and not race. Who knows, enough grass roots momentum and maybe collectively, we could get enough signatures to get something akin to this on the ballot for the next election?</p>

<p>Michigan</a> Civil Rights Initiative - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</p>

<p>Text
The ballot initiative amended the Michigan Constitution to include a new section (Section 26 of Article I)[7]:</p>

<p>Civil Rights.
(1) The University of Michigan, Michigan State University, Wayne State University, and any other public college or university, community college, or school district shall not discriminate against, or grant preferential treatment to, any individual or group on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin in the operation of public employment, public education, or public contracting.
(2) The state shall not discriminate against, or grant preferential treatment to, any individual or group on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin in the operation of public employment, public education, or public contracting.
(3) For the purposes of this section "state" includes, but is not necessarily limited to, the state itself, any city, county, any public college, university, or community college, school district, or other political subdivision or governmental instrumentality of or within the State of Michigan not included in sub-section 1.
(4) This section does not prohibit action that must be taken to establish or maintain eligibility for any federal program, if ineligibility would result in a loss of federal funds to the state.
(5) Nothing in this section shall be interpreted as prohibiting bona fide qualifications based on sex that are reasonably necessary to the normal operation of public employment, public education, or public contracting.
(6) The remedies available for violations of this section shall be the same, regardless of the injured party's race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin, as are otherwise available for violations of Michigan anti-discrimination law.
(7) This section shall be self-executing. If any part or parts of this section are found to be in conflict with the United States Constitution or federal law, the section shall be implemented to the maximum extent that the United States Constitution and federal law permit. Any provision held invalid shall be severable from the remaining portions of this section.
(8) This section applies only to action taken after the effective date of this section.
(9) This section does not invalidate any court order or consent decree that is in force as of the effective date of this section.</p>

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<p>Link to Florida representatives to voice your opinions:</p>

<p>Senators</a> :Member Pages : flsenate.gov</p>

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<p>I am neither for or against this initiative. However I want to direct your attention to the people who are in control of Higher Education in the state of Florida. They are called the Florida Board of Governors.</p>

<p>Here is a link to their website:</p>

<p>Florida</a> Board of Governors : Home</p>

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<p>Does anyone have some actual hard data on this issue? There are anecdotes based on information posted to the board that show academic qualifications don't seem to fully predict who will be admitted, but I haven't seen any statistics that show that this occurs along racial lines (e.g., mean SAT scores for those admitted are lower for certain races than for others).</p>

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<p>UF admtted 13.5% African Americans-about equal to the state's population average. I, too want to see a breakdown of SAT scores and GPA by race for the University system. I think they should publish this, being a public school. I'm SURE this would expose what type of admissions policies the school has fair or un-fair. Think we can get this info easily and withoug a court odrer?</p>

<p>It really gets to me when I think about it is that in an article SSOBICK posted recently, the black admit rate went up to 13+% and the head of admissions was quoted saying something akin to we shouldn't be overly excited yet, all the numbers haven't been calculated. If I was applying as an undergrad, I would be so outraged, especially since AF. action is already a banned practice.</p>

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<p>I really hope they don't follow the paradigm of this school..</p>

<p>"CU-Boulder, the median combined SAT score for enrolled whites was 205 points higher than that of enrolled blacks"</p>

<p>Racist Admissions: A Policy For Failure</p>

<p>CU-Boulder, the median combined SAT score for enrolled whites was 205 points higher than that of enrolled blacks. The white 25th percentile was greater than the black median score. There were also substantial differences in high school grade point averages. The black median was 2.9. The white median was 3.3.</p>

<p>Used together, test scores and high school grades are the best predictors of whether a student will earn an undergraduate degree. In general, people with lower scores and grade point averages find college work more difficult, particularly when directly competing against people with much higher abilities.[3]</p>

<p>Liberals consider it "fair" and "compassionate" that college administrations greedy for appropriately colored bodies adopt policies ensuring that the "average" black student will have a tougher time meeting academic requirements than the "average" white student. If they care that such a handicap causes far higher dropout rates--only 39% of black students in the classes of 1987, 1988, and 1989 graduated in six years at Boulder compared with 72% of better prepared whites--it is only to argue for easing graduation requirements or the creation of academically worthless programs to serve as ghettos for the unqualified. Diluting requirements dovetails nicely with the liberal mania for equality of outcome. It ensures that all graduating students will be equally unprepared to compete in the global labor market.</p>

<p>Such callousness creates poisonous race relations. Lerner and Nagai found that more than half of the whites refused admission to the Boulder campus had higher SAT scores than half of the blacks who were offered it. White students observe that the black students in their classes get special treatment but are often not their academic equals. Such unfair treatment creates widespread resentment. Individual black students, ignorant of the fact that as a group they are below average in academic preparation, know only that they work harder and get lower grades than the whites around them. They conclude that everyone discriminates against them.[4]</p>

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<p>There was a NY Times article published in 2006 talking about UF's Admissions policies.</p>

<p>Check out this article:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/20/education/20colleges.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/20/education/20colleges.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>Some people believe Bernie Machen engages in class warfare rhetoric. I still think he is one of the best Presidents in the USA.</p>

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<p>When the state and federal governments dangle a huge financial carrot in your face, it's very difficult not to go for it. Don't blame the university, blame the system.</p>

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<p>In that article, the term "highly qualified" is used to describe the students they want to attract. this should be independent of race and should be highly qualified low income students blind of anyother factor.</p>

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<p>omg, you people got rejected, get over it. My girlfriend is black and got rejected. her senior class president is black and got rejected (mind you they go to a white school), the senior class president's twin sister, whom is a national merit scholar, got rejected. GET OVER IT...you're rejected. there is nothing you can do. i'm a freshman at UF and its not a big deal. it's not like you're missing out on anything. it's just a college. you're not going to get to come to UF. they specifically said in the rejection letter that they had to turn down qualified applicants, so its not like they thought you were unqualified. there were just other people who qualified as well, even if they qualified in different ways. GET OVER IT. YOU HAVE BEEN REJECTED FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA =)</p>

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<p>You guys should read this article. I know that both schools are completely different and their adcoms probably don't work in the same way, but it's still most informative. These people don't have to handle 28000 applications, but still.</p>

<p>Newsweek.com:</a> Society: Inside The Admissions Game</p>

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<p>Not only did I not get rejected, I'm graduating UF this fall with my MBA and am very proud to be a gator. If you're right and everything is fair, let them show the statistics broken down by demographics and the truth will come out. If I am wrong, I will admit it, apologize and move on with my life. Either way, I will attempt to get the numbers and post my results.</p>

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<p>Last Friday—three days behind schedule—all the big and small envelopes go into the mail. For the first time, Bischoff runs the whole class through a computer program. Only then does Chicago learn that it has accepted 1,529 men and 1,631 women. Their average SAT score is about 1420. Their ethnicity, something that many applicants don't divulge, still isn't known in the aggregate. Chicago prides itself on using no gender, racial, geographic or other quotas in deciding whom to accept. "We're not 'building a class,' creating this ideal little world with so many of these and so many of those," O'Neill says. "We accept the best, and hope to get as many as we can."</p>

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<p>um............</p>

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<p>That was a quote from the article link posted above about U-Chicago admissions. Sorry, I should have clarified that</p>

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<p>For all of those who were rejected by U of F, I simply quote our good friend Groucho Marx, "I don't want to belong to any club that will accept me as a member."</p>

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<p>Wow... I dont understand why people are so riled up about this. By the way, University of Florida has already shafted AA and numbers show that due to it, minorities have decreased greatly. UF has gotten rid of AA, so newsflash the people attending have gotten in on their own merit. By complaining, you are not only insultiong UF's admission process and belittling those who got accepted, you're alienating minorities, not only blacks, who have gotten accepted for hard work. </p>

<p>You're implying African Americans accepted into UF have lower stats than whites yet I know plenty of them who have high GPA's, +1300 SAT scores and who have worked very hard to get in. On the flip side, I know a lot of whites with lower SATS and grades who also got accepted. I understand where you're coming from but its wrong to group people, everyone is different and contrary to beliefs, most minorities get in own their own standards.</p>

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<p>OMG thank you to the post above me......you people need to know that I promised some of my minority friends theyd get in this year based off some people from last year and ALL of them were rejected....i was shocked....this person above me is right, pretty much everyone who got in this year has gotten in based off their work because i can honestly tell you, there hasnt been one person yet who has gotten in where ive been shocked about it as i was last year.</p>

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<p>Caede you are flat out wrong. Do research before you start making statements.</p>

<p>I have no bias either way. But I want to share some statistics with you guys:</p>

<p>==1998==
University of Florida students—numbering more than 42,000 in Fall 1998—come from more than 100 countries (4,174 international students), all 50 states, and every one of the 67 counties in Florida. The ratio of men to women is 51/49. Seventy-four percent of UF students are undergraduates (31,477), 19% are graduate students (8,060) and 7% (2,799) are in the professional programs of dentistry, law, medicine, pharmacy and veterinary medicine.</p>

<p>Approximately 2,700 African-American students, 3,900 Hispanic students and 2,550 Asian-American students attend UF. Ninety percent of entering freshmen rank above the national mean of scores on standard entrance exams taken by college-bound students. </p>

<p>This equates to 9,150 total minority students at UF. 21.7% of all students</p>

<p>==2006==
University of Florida students, numbering almost 51,000 in Fall 2006, come from more than 100 countries, all 50 states, and each of the 67 counties in Florida. The ratio of men to women is 47/53. Sixty-nine percent of UF students are undergraduates, 22 percent are graduate students and nine percent are in the professional programs of dentistry, law, medicine, pharmacy and veterinary medicine.</p>

<p>Approximately 4,000 African-American students, 5,700 Hispanic students and 3,600 Asian-American students attend UF. </p>

<p>This equates to 13,300 total minority students at UF. 26.0% of all students</p>

<p>*SOURE: The Official UF Catalogs</p>