<p>Refresh my memory. Where’s that post again?</p>
<p>Look at post #57 where I’ve highlighted it for you.</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/8767176-post42.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/8767176-post42.html</a></p>
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<p>Post #42 on this very thread. Posted on 08-30-2009.</p>
<p>Why are you running away again? No response? Can’t man up?</p>
<p>Relax, the_Prestige. I wasn’t running away. I just didn’t have the time to log in lately. </p>
<p>Now, re about my previous post. </p>
<p>As you can see from my previous posts, I never said it’s impossible for Yale SOM to rank #10. Here’s what I said.</p>
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<li><p>Yale SOM needs to invest a lot of money to get into the top 10. And, unless the school would invest a huge some, it would remain a runner up for the so-called, legit “top 10”. </p></li>
<li><p>I said, the top 10 is already quite crowded and it’s quite difficult for Yale SOM to legit-ly rank #10. (Legit = highly acceptable top 10.) And I was right and still am right. Look at the 10th place – it’s occupied by 2 schools. And 2 years aren’t enough to make a conclusion.</p></li>
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<p>^^^ no that is a bunch of horse manure for anyone with beyond a 3rd grade reading comprehension. You clearly state that Yale SOM wouldn’t be breaking into the Top 10. Period. And now that they have – you start backpedaling and spewing this crap about “legit” Top 10 – huh? What is that? </p>
<p>Let’s recap, shall we?</p>
<p>Question: Did Yale SOM rank in the Top 10?
Answer and Fact: Yes. Twice in row now.</p>
<p>For anyone who has ever followed USNWR MBA Rankings, you must acknowledge that this is a tremendous move – for example, Yale’s SOM’s average ranking from 1990 – 2008 ranks below Michigan Ross, UVA, UCLA, Cornell Johnson, Duke and NYU. But, and here is the point, they have been experiencing an upward trend (just as I had predicted on this site a few years ago).</p>
<p>Now, the latest USNWR MBA Ranking has Yale SOM firmly in the Top 10 (twice in a row) jumping ahead of all of those programs listed above: Ross, Darden, Anderson, Johnson, Fuqua and equal to Stern. No other MBA program has experienced such a sharp upward trajectory. That is a fact. </p>
<p>When you wrote your post that Yale SOM would never break into the Top 10, they never had, but now they have done it twice.</p>
<p>You sir are a liar and a coward with no honor. If you would have just manned up and said, “yeah, I got it wrong, even though I don’t believe that Yale SOM deserves it…” or something like that, I would have given you some shred of props, but now?</p>
<p>You lost and have no honor. I’m totally done with you. The great thing about a “thread” is that the proof is there for everyone to see. You can’t runaway from the truth.</p>
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<p>Firmly? It’s sharing the spot with another b-school. That doesn’t look firm to me. If Yale SOM has been number 10 for 10 years or so, I would acknowledge it as a solid top 10 b-school. But landing in number 10 for just 2 years, and sharing the same spot with another b-school… would be too early to tell. The top 9 have been occupying the top 10 for so many years now. Do you see the difference?</p>
<p>No there is absolutely no difference.</p>
<p>FACT: You claimed that Yale SOM would not rank in the Top 10 (and at that point they never had)</p>
<p>FACT: Since that post, Yale has indeed ranked in the Top 10, twice.</p>
<p>Just admit you were wrong so we can all move on. Is it that hard to admit you got something wrong?</p>
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Now I’m not surprised with your reasoning. </p>
<p>Let me demonstrate it to you why I’m not convinced that Yale is a solid top 10 b-school. Here’s the aggregate points of the top b-schools and how they fair against each other. </p>
<p>Harvard University 2+2+3+14+3+2 = 26/6 = 4.33
Chicago (Booth) 5+1+4+9+3+6 = 28/6 = 4.67
Pennsylvania (Wharton) 3+3+5+11+6+1 = 29/6 = 4.83
Stanford University 1+5+1+19+5+3 = 34/6= 5.67
Dartmouth College (Tuck) 7+14+2+4+4+9 = 40/6 = 6.67
Columbia University 9+9+6+3+10+4 = 41/6 = 6.83
UC-Berkeley (Haas) 7+8+12+2+1+13 = 43/6 = 7.17
MIT (Sloan) 3+10+14+4+9+5 = 45/6 = 7.5
Northwestern (Kellogg) 5+4+8+12+8+11 = 48/6 = 8</p>
<p>– HUGE GAP –</p>
<p>Duke (Fuqua) 12+6+13+13+13+10 = 67/6 = 11.17
Virginia (Darden) 13+11+9+10+11+16 = 70/6 = 11.67
Michigan-Ann Arbor (Ross) 14 +7+18+7+12+12 = 70/6 = 11.67
Yale University 10+21+10+8+14+8 = 71/6 = 11.83
NYU (Stern) 10+ 18+17+17+7+7 = 76/6 = 12.67
Cornell (Johnson) 16 +13+7+16+18+14 = 84/6 = 14
UCLA (Anderson) 14 +17+19+16+21+16 = 103/6 = 17.17 </p>
<p>USNews + Businessweek + Forbes + Wall Street Journal + The Economist + FT</p>
<p>Noticed that there is a considerable drop of points after the top 9 and the 10th spot is almost shared by at least 5 schools? </p>
<p>Look where Yale SOM is. </p>
<p>Maybe Yale SOM is rising. But is it a solid top 10 at the moment? No. Maybe in the future it will be. But at the moment it is not. </p>
<ol>
<li>[Best</a> Business School Rankings | MBA Program Rankings | US News](<a href=“http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-business-schools/mba-rankings]Best”>http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-business-schools/mba-rankings)</li>
<li>[Business</a> School Comparison - BusinessWeek](<a href=“http://tools.businessweek.com/BSchool_Comparator/]Business”>http://tools.businessweek.com/BSchool_Comparator/)</li>
<li>[Best</a> Business Schools - #2 Dartmouth (Tuck) - Forbes.com](<a href=“http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/03/best-business-schools-09-leadership-careers-all_slide_3.html]Best”>Best Business Schools)</li>
<li>[Wall</a> Street Journal: Top Business Schools (2007) : The Consus Group Rankings](<a href=“http://consusrankings.com/2007/10/01/wall-street-journal-top-business-schools-2007/]Wall”>http://consusrankings.com/2007/10/01/wall-street-journal-top-business-schools-2007/)</li>
<li>[Which</a> MBA? | 2010 Full time MBA ranking](<a href=“http://www.economist.com/whichmba/2010/free-ranking-tool]Which”>http://www.economist.com/whichmba/2010/free-ranking-tool)</li>
<li>[Business</a> school rankings from the Financial Times - Global MBA Rankings 2011](<a href=“http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/global-mba-rankings-2011]Business”>http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/global-mba-rankings-2011)</li>
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<p>Who gives a crap what “you think”?</p>
<p>FACT: Yale SOM ranked in the Top 10 (twice).</p>
<p>^ Well, aside from me, the employers give a crap on what I think, obviously. Here’s how much their graduates are making vis-a-vis other top-rated business schools.</p>
<p>Post-MBA salary ($):</p>
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<li>Stanford = 118,384</li>
<li>Harvard = 113,880</li>
<li>Penn-Wharton = 112,223</li>
<li>Berkeley-Haas = 108,428</li>
<li>Northwestern-Kellogg = 107,638</li>
<li>MIT-Sloan - 106,536</li>
<li>Columbia = 106,246</li>
<li>Dartmouth-Tuck = 105,198</li>
<li>Chicago-Booth = 104,757</li>
<li>Michigan-Ross = 103,045</li>
<li>Virginia-Darden = 102,903</li>
<li>Duke-Fuqua = 101,764</li>
<li>NYU-Stern = 100,190</li>
<li>CMU-Tepper = 100,093</li>
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<p>– gap –</p>
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<li>Yale-SOM = 98,420</li>
<li>Cornell-Johnson = 97,990</li>
<li>Texas-McCombs = 96,467</li>
<li>UCLA-Anderson = 95,922</li>
<li>USC-Marshall = 93,886</li>
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<p>[Which</a> MBA? | Yale School of Management](<a href=“http://www.economist.com/whichmba/2010/yale-school-of-management]Which”>http://www.economist.com/whichmba/2010/yale-school-of-management)</p>
<p>It’s really sad how you can’t admit you got it wrong. </p>
<p>At any rate, here is another prediction: in anywhere from as early as 5 years from now to as late as 10 years from now, Yale SOM will rank ahead of Haas.</p>
<p>Again, on what basis is Yale SOM a solid top 10 b-school?</p>
<p>Just wait until Yale SOM passes Haas in the rankings.</p>
<p>^^^ you are like 14 years old right? I really hope so.</p>
<p>For anyone who follows the MBA forum on CC, there was a thread a few years ago (I think it was '05 or '06 – I can’t recall the specific date) at any rate, the thread was a debate about Cornell Johnson vs. Yale SOM.</p>
<p>I made the case then that Yale SOM (a program that historically had ranked below Cornell) was experiencing an uptrend (for many reasons – including their decision to ditch the awkward MPPM degree for the more recognized MBA degree) and that you would rather be a Yale SOM grad in the future vs. Cornell.</p>
<p>Lo and behold, I was right – as Yale now outranks Cornell.</p>
<p>Same goes for Yale SOM vs. Haas. Hands down you would rather be a Yale SOM grad over a Haas grad in the future.</p>
<p>Full disclosure: I have no affiliation to Yale, have never attended Yale (undergrad or otherwise).</p>
<p>btw, here is that old link (when I posted under the handle Ivy_Grad):</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/business-school-mba/123584-yale-cornell.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/business-school-mba/123584-yale-cornell.html</a></p>
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<p>That’s interesting because I was thinking you’re only four yrs old and you’d like me to make fun of you. :D</p>
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Unlike Johnson which has been slipping in the ranking for several years running now, Haas has been experiencing the contrary – climbing…and sneaked in past several schools including your beloved, Yale. ;)</p>