<p>I got into Fordham EA and NYU's Liberal Studies Program. Which one is better for a potential International Relations or Political Science major?</p>
<p>how much aide are u getting from each?</p>
<p>Well being an international student, I get nothing from both of them.</p>
<p>To be honest, (if I had a choice) I wouldn’t attend either.</p>
<p>well fordham and nyu are my top 2 schools also. The best thing about NYU is the name and the connections that it entails, but then it cost a crapload of $$$ and they give horrible aide. NYU was my dreamschool last year but not so anymore, ive come to realize that its not all that. Fordham is also a god school, but the price is in the same tier as NYU with considerably less name recognition. It would come down to the money for me.</p>
<p>It really depends what you are looking for, they are very different schools. Also depends on if you are considering the Rose Hill campus or the Lincoln Center campus. From what I understand, RH is more of a traditional campus whereas LC is more urban. My D got accepted at LC and we have visited there several times, haven’t been to RH yet. She considered NYU and LC but they are both very different. Have you visited them yet?</p>
<p>I have done the NYU tour and the Fordham Rose Hill tour. My preference if money is no object would be to go to NYU because it has a much greater depth to the liberal arts program. I would suggest you look at the courses that are being offered in each to see which offers more. I also think you are likely to get much more top drawer guest lecturers in international relations, social sciences at NYU rather than Fordham. I think also with NYU you can take classes at the New School for Social Research which is heavy poly sci. Fordham has a great law school as does NYU. Fordham is a more intimate type school than NYU is. NYU has nicer dorms and you are right in the village which is great to be in the middle of things.</p>
<p>Yea I visited the LC campus and I really liked it (that’s where I got in too) and I haven’t visited NYU. But the campus is nice?
Money IS an issue, but if theyre both in the same price-range then it can’t be a factor in my decision, but those are the only 2 schools who have answered me (it’s still early).
So NYU has a better liberal arts and int’l relations program in general? Even if it iss the liberal studies program rather than the college of arts and science.</p>
<p>I beg to differ. I’ve never personally been impressed with NYU but respect anyone’s opinion, when it’s properly informed, which is why I would like to fill in a few gaps. </p>
<p>Doon Varn you state : NYU “has a much greater depth to the liberal arts program.” Fordham University is Jesuit institution. The Jesuits, starting with Ignatius Loyola in the 16th Century honed the liberal arts concept throughout Europe and then brought it to the US in their schools: Fordham, Georgetown, Boston College etc… The Liberal Arts are a Catholic concept (largely because during the Renaissance the Church ran most of the major universities in Europe).
In fact, the great teachers of liberal arts educations in Europe during the Renaissance were Jesuits, Dominicans, and Benedictins. Many of the great minds of the world were taught by Jesuits. In fact, Fidel Castro is Jesuit educated, not to mention Fran</p>
<p>haha, someone has a thing for Jesuit education</p>
<p>NYU is by far more internationally recognized, and has extremely prestigious graduate schools that are top tier in almost all subjects.
I have a lot of friends that are in both NYU and in Fordham, almost every single kid in Fordham is trying to transfer into NYU, while the NYU kids are beyond happy with their choice.</p>
<p>for the most part, Fordham has been a saftey for kids who dreamed of going to NYU,
really, I think it’s only in the Fordham forums that anyone in their right mind would tell you to go to Fordham over NYU</p>
<p>@ Jesuit Educated, Fordham use to be a much better school than it is now</p>
<p>Omagh I got into Fordham EA and the Liberal studies program to! 
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<p>Well first off congrats for getting in! I know I was relieved just to get accepted, and I decided on NYU. I mean I know the money is an object but the education and resources IN MY OPINION are just better. I haved loved NYU for years and have dreamed of attending so it really was clear cut. I’ll be honest when I say this I come from a rural town in bumble****, PA and guess what when I say I’m going to NYU people’s jaws drop. When I told people months earlier I got into Fordham I could count on one hand the people who even knew the school.</p>
<p>As much as I dislike Fordham, I’d have to disagree with nblazer. Every person I know who attends NYU is extremely unhappy with the school and most are trying to transfer to either Columbia or Sarah Lawrence. A couple are even looking at SUNYs.</p>
<p>In regards to “prestige,” I recently left the city and spent the week in Florida. I happened to be wearing a Fordham sweatshirt one day and several people asked if I “really attended Fordham” and were impressed by the school. It seems that Fordham is better received outside of NYC. I wouldn’t put iton the same tier as NYU but it’s close enough.</p>
<p>That said, I wouldn’t recommend either NYU or Fordham. I think I’m the only person here who feels that way, though.</p>
<p>I never understand people who bad mouth their own school. Or any school for that matter.</p>
<p>Its really unprofessional.</p>
<p>Peter Farrell, Fordham’s Admissions Director came from NYU by the way.</p>
<p>There are numerous faculty at Fordham with NYU credentials. </p>
<p>They are different schools on many levels if not culture. No harm in prefering one to the other as neither school tries to be all things to all students. Nor should they.</p>
<p>With 3,000 colleges in the United States we have plenty of choices, don’t we? </p>
<p>But a Jesuit education is something special. </p>
<p>I would recommend both NYU and Fordham, but perhaps to different students for different reasons.</p>
<p>I would personally do Fordham undergrad and NYU grad</p>
<p>“I would recommend both NYU and Fordham, but perhaps to different students for different reasons.”</p>
<p>I agree. But I also disagree with nblazer. There are those who use Fordham as a safety, and NYU is a great school academically everything (can’t really argue that). But I’ve heard from a lot of students that it wasn’t exactly what they’d hoped it be. I have a cousin who transferred from NYU into UMD; she hated the “lack of campus” and felt she didn’t mesh with the types of students that went there. With that being said, I’ve also spoken to students who weren’t happy with Fordham. The thing is just to take all of that with a grain of salt, and decide what’s right for you. </p>
<p>And I suppose it depends on region. I’ve found that people on the East Coast are pretty familiar with Fordham, and hold it in high regard.</p>
<p>The OP likes both schools so saying “neither” isn’t really helping. Who cares if John Sexton is a Fordham grad? Everyone hates him. Anyway I was accepted to Fordham and NYU and love both schools so i’ll tell you my impression of each:</p>
<p>Fordham: I think its biggest selling point is Jesuit education, which seeks to nourish the soul as well as the mind. In other words, it’s not just about taking classes and getting a degree. The Rose Hill campus is a beautiful, traditional campus. The Fordham students seem more like the “school spirit” type and it’s a great place for Liberal Arts education. Lincoln Center is a different environment but I don’t know much about it and personally liked Rose Hill a LOT more but that’s just me. Fordham is smaller and a closer-knit community. </p>
<p>NYU: Also strong Liberal Arts education, especially LSP. The IR program here is pretty strong, but keep in mind it’s an Honor’s major, you have to apply Soph year. Has no campus and is very non-traditional, you really have to be an independent person to make it there. It’s a larger school, weaker community, and better known internationally. Ranked higher if you care about that. It is more expensive and gives terrible FA, so not a good choice if money is a concern.</p>
<p>I think I was one of the people that asked you! Were you on Las Olas at the time?</p>
<p>The above comment was to PlattsburghLoser who said “In regards to “prestige,” I recently left the city and spent the week in Florida. I happened to be wearing a Fordham sweatshirt one day and several people asked if I “really attended Fordham” and were impressed by the school.”</p>
<p>And to reiterate a previous comment, it depends on what you are looking for. My daughter checked out both, didn’t like NYU, loved Fordham (LC) and is going there in the fall. Her good friend’s dream school is NYU, which she got accepted into (Tisch) and she is looking forward to it. My daughter didn’t even apply to NYU because she knew it wasn’t for her. Her friend didn’t apply to Fordham because it wasn’t what she was looking for. Each student is different, and the school has to be a match for each person’s individual needs.</p>
<p>Nblazer :
“NYU is by far more internationally recognized, and has extremely prestigious graduate schools that are top tier in almost all subjects.”</p>
<p>NYU may be internationally known but so is Fordham. Fordham has the advantage of being a Jesuit institution. As such, when in Europe, for example, if people don’t know the name Fordham in a business setting, it suffices to say that it is a Jesuit school, resulting in their placing it among top schools; since it benefits from a rich 450 year old Jesuit educational tradition; an education recognized as second to none in Western Europe.
While I don’t have a problem admitting that NYU is known abroad, it’s never been a jaw-dropper in a European business context, which is normal. There are many schools more first rate than NYU that aren’t known throughout Europe. (And I’ve been heading up companies in Europe for 20 years). Harvard – Yes! Yale – Yes ! Columbia – Yes ! Jesuit – Yes ! NYU - no. </p>
<p>Nblazer said:
“I have a lot of friends that are in both NYU and in Fordham, almost every single kid in Fordham is trying to transfer into NYU, while the NYU kids are beyond happy with their choice.”</p>
<p>“almost every single kid”… that’s just flat out false. I’ve never driven down Fordham road and seen students frantically running to the post office to get their transfer applications to NYU. </p>
<p>Moreover, my children are at Fordham. All three were accepted to NYU too. They and their Fordham friends aren’t looking to transfer to NYU. I have 3 kids so that’s about 60 Fordham friends whom I have met. I’ve never heard one “dis” NYU but never heard one talk about NYU as a place they would aspire to attend. Most of the kids that I’ve met at Fordham get Fordham in their blood by the end of freshman year; make it their home; and, wouldn’t dream of matriculating elsewhere. There are exceptions, however, to every rule. </p>
<p>Nblazer:
“for the most part, Fordham has been a saftey for kids who dreamed of going to NYU,
really, I think it’s only in the Fordham forums that anyone in their right mind would tell you to go to Fordham over NYU.”</p>
<p>I know quite a few students who used NYU as a back up as they waited to get accepted to Fordham. There are many high school students who want Fordham and no place else.
And finally, Fordham is a rising star in academia. It gets stronger with every passing year. </p>
<p>I have nothing against NYU; readily recognize that it has some strong programs, but I don’t like reading unfounded criticism directed against Fordham.</p>
<p>Nblazer:
“I think it’s only in the Fordham forums that anyone in their right mind would tell you to go to Fordham over NYU.”</p>
<p>Would you expect, Nblazer, anything less? One could reply with, “I think it’s only in the NYU forums that anyone in HIS right mind would tell you to go to NYU over Fordham.” But that would be petty.</p>