<p>Accepted to both and completely undecided. I know that Holy Cross is more selective and more academically intense but i need some other opinions on this because im not ready to rule out fordham just yet.</p>
<p>Congratulations! You have two excellent choices! 
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<p>I think choosing between these two schools should come down to your personal preferences bc the education you will receive is similar. Do not factor in which school is more selective academically bc it’s superficial and you can get a great education at either school. Start focusing on what your 4 years will be like and the differences between the schools, Worcester vs. NYC being HUGE. </p>
<p>Does cost matter? Will one school be better for you financially? Are you equally happy with the program for your major? Did you take the opportunity to visit each school…which felt right? If they both felt right, then draw up a list of pros and cons and see which school comes out on top! </p>
<p>Good luck! :)</p>
<p>Holy Cross is generally viewed as a much better academic school but Worcester location not the best but then again the Bronx is even worse.</p>
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All I’ve ever heard about it is that it’s a feeder school for Notre Dame transfers, though given it’s “Worcester” and not South Bend, it sounds like there might be another school with that name. And have you ever even been to Fordham RH? The Bronx area around it is not bad. And given that NYC is the capital of the world (by infallible Papal decree), I imagine it’s hard to find a better location.</p>
<p>You should visit both schools if you haven’t already. Take your preferences and costs into account. See if you can talk to students and professors at each.</p>
<p>There is a Holy Cross College formerly called Holy Cross Junior College that is located near Notre Dame in South Bend, Indiana and run by the Holy Cross Fathers who also run Notre Dame. College of the Holy Cross is the oldest Catholic college in New England and is Jesuit-run. It is ranked 32nd in the nation by US News.</p>
<p>Holy Cross may be marginally more selective, but whether or not it is “more academically intense” is debatable. </p>
<p>In my opinion, it really comes down to location. There’s just no comparison to New York City, especially because Fordham Rose Hill is a traditional campus, so you don’t even need to sacrifice the typical college experience to be in a major city.</p>
<p>And when I say Fordham’s location is great, I mean the Bronx is great, as well as all of New York. There’s a lot to do right off campus, like little italy, the zoo, Fordham Rd. shopping, ethnic restaurants, etc. And it’s a lot cheaper than Manhattan. The Bronx used to be a dangerous place several decades ago, but crime rates have plummeted in recent years.</p>
<p>HC ranked 32nd versus Fordham ranked 56th. Slight edge to HC. While “the Bronx” has improved it is still a ghetto. You must visit to fully appreciate.</p>
<p>Both excellent choices and my son had them too. This is when it is not so much rankings, as other factors. I happen to love HC and if you are interested in a truly academic Liberal Arts experience, it’s tough to beat. Its Classics department is first rate, and you get that LAC loving that as a mom, I think is wonderful at the ug level. </p>
<p>My son took two courses during this year at Fordham, and I was super impressed at how attentive the profs were to him. Both very general first year type courses, and his papers were scrutinized and his exams were carefully graded. I did not expect this attention to detail and am most impressed. I don’t know how often this happens there, but it did for him and many others I know. But the school is bigger than HC and the intensity of academic caliber of the average student is not as high. But there is more spirit in terms of sports, and yet, because of its vicinity to NYC and the ease to getting to Manhattan, it combines the best of both worlds in a way few schools can. Rose Hill is as traditional of a campus as it comes, yet it has big school athletic facilities, yet can offer ready city school amenities. Unique in that regard. It’s also in the best spot of the Bronx. A lot to do right there. The beautiful Botanical Gardens are right across the street and you aren’t even a half a block, no streets to cross to take the train into Grand Central or you can take a van that runs regularly from the campus if you don’t even want to leave the campus for that less than a minute walk to the train station. Fordham also has a business school and more selection in types of courses as a university that an LAC has. </p>
<p>So it comes down to atmosphere, type of students, intensity of departmental attention that makes the big difference as well as locale. But you can’t lose either way. Congratulations.</p>
<p>@required_details</p>
<p>Not that I think rankings are important in making a decision at all, but to be clear Fordham is 56 on the University rankings while HC is 32 on LAC. Not an apples to apples comparison.</p>
<p>Oh please, the part of the Bronx that Fordham is in is decidedly not a ghetto.</p>
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It seems that there are more high quality universities than liberal arts colleges, so you can’t just make that comparison.</p>
<p>Furthermore, rankings attempt to quantify colleges in a way that can’t be done. They don’t even measure education, rather more like prestige and money. In this regard, universities and liberal arts colleges will be wildly different.</p>
<p>And it merits adding that, if you must live by the rankings, no other school in the history of the rankings has risen as fast or as far as Fordham currently is. With their acceptance rate dropping another 10 percentage points and the average student stats increasing and the new developments occurring, it looks as though the rise will be continuing.</p>
<p>I am tempted to believe that you have not visited the Bronx lately. Either that, or you’re incredibly privileged. A working class area with a lot of immigrants from other countries and cultures is more of a positive, and certainly not a ghetto.</p>
<p>The area around Fordham is certainly not wealthy, but the term “ghetto” is misleading and potentially offensive. But you are right, you must visit to fully appreciate. It may take a little time for someone from the suburbs or a wealthier area to adjust to Fordham’s urban setting, but I think even on a first visit, one can recognize some of the great things the neighborhood has to offer. </p>
<p>I would say that few Fordham students view the neighborhood as something that must be dealt with or avoided. Instead, it’s something we greatly value as part of our school and community.</p>
<p>Wow. Labeling the area around Fordham as a ghetto is simply wrong. As a parent of a freshman S. at Gabelli Bus. School, I can tell you the first time I visited Fordham was an eye opener. But I have been back 4 times since then, and each time I have a greater appreaciation for the area of the Bronx where Fordham is located. And my son has absolutely no problem whatsoever with the neighborhood. It is certainly not a ghetto in any sense of the word as I define it. Is it in an urban setting??? Sure–like most of the best Jesuit univeristies. But it is a vibrant, diverse neighborhood, which is a big part of the education for most new students.</p>
<p>The Bronx contains one of the five poorest Congressional Districts in the U.S. (the 16th). The Bronx, particularly the South Bronx, saw a sharp decline in population, livable housing, and the quality of life in the late 1960s and the 1970s, culminating in a wave of arson but has shown some signs of revival in recent years.</p>
<p>Found this comment from a local Fordham-area resident:</p>
<p>I live in Fordham it is the Ghetto. No if, and’s, or but’s. There are some very bad blocks around there. My block happens to be one of the better ones. But as I’ve pointed out on this forum before there are varying degrees of Ghetto. Overall, Fordham is definitely not one of the worst ghetto’s in the city.</p>
<p>The interesting thing about Fordham is that there are quite a few young professionals (mostly Black, Asian, and Latino), myself included, in the area mixed in amongst all the ghetto folk. I see them all the time on my way to and from work. And it is a great shopping area. You can literally get anything over there. It’s an interesting place to say the least.</p>
<p>On a side note Jerome Avenue has to be one of the ugliest string of blocks in NYC. I’m talking mostly aesthetically. It looks right out of some gritty 70’s/early 80’s NYC movie scene.</p>
<p>Read more: [Bronx</a> area - Fordham/Kingsbridge (New York, Harrison: renting, co-op, new house) - New York City - (NY) - Page 19 - City-Data Forum](<a href=“Bronx area - Fordham/Kingsbridge (New York, Harrison: renting, new house, gated) - New York City - (NY) - Page 19 - City-Data Forum”>Bronx area - Fordham/Kingsbridge (New York, Harrison: renting, new house, gated) - New York City - (NY) - Page 19 - City-Data Forum)</p>
<p>Oh wow, you quoted another internet forum. That’s a reliable source if I ever saw one.</p>
<p>Interestingly, though, a lot of it seems to be positive. And keep in mind that it is written by a yuppie.</p>
<p>@required_details</p>
<p>Yes, you are right. According to the 2000 Census, the bronx contains one of the poorest congressional districts in the country. But, as we have already mentioned, despite persisting poverty, crime in the Bronx has decreased dramatically during the last two decades: [Decline</a> in Bronx Crime Charts](<a href=“http://bronxda.nyc.gov/misc/decline.html]Decline”>http://bronxda.nyc.gov/misc/decline.html). And keep in mind that these statistics are averages for the Bronx as a whole and Fordham is in one of the Bronx’s safer neighborhoods.</p>
<p>And, you are also right that the Bronx went through some very rough times during the 60s and 70s. But, the Bronx is a very different place today, as is all of New York City: [BX</a>. IS BOOMING - NYPOST.com](<a href=“http://www.nypost.com/p/news/regional/item_QgDqiHeCfGgzh3XXlvGpYJ;jsessionid=B409BF6117093A573E55B4F93687FBDD]BX”>http://www.nypost.com/p/news/regional/item_QgDqiHeCfGgzh3XXlvGpYJ;jsessionid=B409BF6117093A573E55B4F93687FBDD)
<a href=“Celebrities Now Give Thonx for Their Roots in the Bronx - The New York Times”>Celebrities Now Give Thonx for Their Roots in the Bronx - The New York Times;
<p>Also, while I do have issue with some of the language used in the post you quoted, the author did have some valuable things to say (although Jerome Ave really isn’t that bad- there’s a good Vietnamese and Ghanaian restaurant my friends and I like. And the above-ground 4-train and St. James Park make it an almost scenic street)</p>