<p>THE_PRESTIGE: "You should just go to the best school that you can. As always." This is not true for everyone. Some people, have to pay full tuition + room/board and If I were to go to the best school I could, I would end up with over 130,000 of debt. For me, it is definately not worth it. Furthermore, do you think that everyone who makes big money is from an ivy league or top university?</p>
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"You should just go to the best school that you can. As always." This is not true for everyone. Some people, have to pay full tuition + room/board and If I were to go to the best school I could, I would end up with over 130,000 of debt. For me, it is definately not worth it.
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<p>Um, did I write: "you should go to the most expensive school you can"? No. Did I write: "you should go to a school that is out of your budget"? No. What I did write was: "you should go to the best school you CAN." CAN. CAN. CAN. If you can't handle the financial burden of a certain school, then you can't. You should go to the school that you CAN handle. CAN. CAN. CAN.</p>
<p>CAN you comprehend the difference?</p>
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Furthermore, do you think that everyone who makes big money is from an ivy league or top university?
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<p>Where did I write this? Please show me were I wrote anything even close to this. Please do not put words in my mouth.</p>
<p>Sorry for the mix up prestige: I can go to schools that are better than what I will go to. I have money in a trust fund that I could empty but won't. I CAN go to a really good school but won't because of the rediculous price, even though that is the best school. Also when your name is the_prestige, it is a little hard to not think that is what you meant.</p>
<p>Furthermore, why just "Valley" CEOs? The closest Ivy to the Bay Area is the place Paris Hilton goes to have lunch when she's in Beverly Hills.</p>
<p>In order to make a fair apples to apples comparison, you should calculate the percentage of CEOs of companies located in the Northeast who graduated from public universities located in Northern California THEN compare that number to the percentage of Valley CEOs that are Ivy graduates. Though I haven't run the numbers, I'd be willing to bet that the Ivy grads do just fine.</p>
<p>I'm not saying that business is not competitive. I'm saying that a majority of students at top private college do not choose to go into business, thus there is obviously a huge difference between the number students at top publics going to business annd the number of students at top privates going into business. Public schools would be expected to be the majority when there are many more students in business in publics then in privates.</p>
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I'm saying that a majority of students at top private college do not choose to go into business
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<p>While I may agree with your conclusion, I still don't agree with your rationale.</p>
<p>To start, a "majority" is a rather blunt measuring stick. As far as I know, there isn't a "majority" of students going to med school or law school either.</p>
<p>If you separated out the three major professional grad schools: Law, Medicine and Business -- how do the numbers stack up? Are the numbers of students who choose to go into business far below those who pursue law or medicine?</p>
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In order to make a fair apples to apples comparison, you should calculate the percentage of CEOs of companies located in the Northeast who graduated from public universities located in Northern California THEN compare that number to the percentage of Valley CEOs that are Ivy graduates. Though I haven't run the numbers, I'd be willing to bet that the Ivy grads do just fine.
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<p>Why? If you look at the richest people in America, most of them own/start a high tech company.</p>
<p>Ugh, I hate this article. I'm in the silicon valley, and one of my teachers kept bringing it up to push students to look at state schools as if it's the best option for everyone(cause she went one). It's flawed and biased in so many ways. Mainly:</p>
<p>1) Statistically speaking, # of students in state schools are MUCH MUCH higher than those in Ivy's, so of course there would be some effect there.
2) IVY League?? Thats like...ACROSS THE COUNTRY. As are the other great "non-ivys" other than Stanford.</p>
<p>"2) IVY League?? Thats like...ACROSS THE COUNTRY"</p>
<p>It's funny. I rarely hear this argument when talking about Wall Street. </p>
<p>Oregon State, Arizona State, San Jose State.... I'm glad to see these schools on the list. When you read CC, you would think this could never happen.</p>
<p>I looked at this web site, and lo and behold, there are students from many schools getting into med school.</p>
<p>Some kids from no-name universities have high MCAT scores too. :)</p>
<p>Students put their own stats into the website. It's not meant to be a scientific sample.</p>
<p>Most of the companies you speak of are ran by CEOs that graduated in the 70s, when college admissions and 'which college you went to' didn't matter as much. They rose in the ranks at their respective companies based on merit, not prestigious degrees. They have had a lot of time to prove themselves throughout their careers.</p>
<p>I'd like to know how many 25-30 year olds hold top positions at said companies. I bet a vast majority of that number came from top 20 colleges.</p>
<p>Who cares. I want it for prestige</p>
<p>The founders of the largest tech company (Google) went to Michigan and Maryland. That is by far the largest company essentially run by younger people.</p>
<p>^founders...exactly....anyone can found a company, however, being hired by a successful company has certain prerequisites--sometimes a top education</p>
<p>"Larry Page was Google's founding CEO and grew the company to more than 200 employees and profitability before moving into his role as president of products in April 2001. He continues to share responsibility for Google's day-to-day operations with Eric Schmidt and Sergey Brin."</p>
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I'd like to know how many 25-30 year olds hold top positions at said companies. I bet a vast majority of that number came from top 20 colleges.
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<p>I wasn't sure if the point of this was to find out where the echelon of folks in the 25-30 year old category hail from (in the article it says folks are recruited from 30 of the best schools to work for Intel as engineers) or whether you were suggesting that the elite class of folks in top positions within companies when they are only in the 25-30 year old range would likely come from top schools. </p>
<p>While Silicon Valley has definitely garnered the attention of a lot more folks and drawn in more folks from top schools in different parts of the country, it's bread and butter is still largely engineering based. So that means a lot of folks are going to be coming out of a wide, wide variety of very good technical schools -- and not so much the Ivy League or even just the top 20 schools (whatever those are).</p>
<p>I think that it is important to note that just because there is a large proportion of ivy league/top university grads at the top companies and positions, does not mean that a top notch student needs a top notch education to have huge ammounts of succes.</p>
<p>There are 8 Ivy League schools. How many big state schools are there? Statistically speaking how many Ivy League graduates will have the personality to be a CEO, let alone the interest in technology to start a tech company. This isn't including the massive luck involved in having a successful company. The majority of CEOs shouldn't be from Ivy League schools. That would mean that the other thousand or so 4 year colleges in this country are really crappy compared to 8 northeastern schools in a football conference. The real question should be if the Ivy League has more CEOs than the Big 10 or Big East. I would assume that the PAC 10 has the most CEOs in silicon valley because it has 11 of the best West Coast schools in the country.</p>
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There are 8 Ivy League schools. How many big state schools are there? Statistically speaking how many Ivy League graduates will have the personality to be a CEO, let alone the interest in technology to start a tech company. This isn't including the massive luck involved in having a successful company. The majority of CEOs shouldn't be from Ivy League schools. That would mean that the other thousand or so 4 year colleges in this country are really crappy compared to 8 northeastern schools in a football conference. The real question should be if the Ivy League has more CEOs than the Big 10 or Big East. I would assume that the PAC 10 has the most CEOs in silicon valley because it has 11 of the best West Coast schools in the country.
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<p>Well, as others have pointed out, the headline and the facile set-up of the article refer to the Ivies, but the fact is that the Ivies are amongst a fairly broad variety of schools represented among the ranks of the valley and the Ivies are kind of an irrelevancy to the discussion. Still, it's not so surprising a) that there is a concentration among certain schools because broad statistics of sheer numbers doesn't explain this kind of placement (CEO's would presumably be on average smarter than the average graduate of an average school, and so, you'd expect more CEO's from schools with smarter graduates on the whole) b) that the schools represented in highest concentration are from the West and/or, in tech-rich Silicon Valley, are from schools with tech prowess. In fact, the top 3 provider of CEO talent -- MIT, Berkeley, Stanford -- also are the top 3 engineering schools in the nation. That is the Ivy League of Silicon Valley right there. And it may be worth noting that two of three of those are private. </p>
<p>But I think the larger point of the article is that there is actually a huge smattering of sources of talent.</p>
<p>....until you talk about VCs and then Stanford GSB and Harvard B-school have a high concentration.... but then again if you look at the partners at places like Sequoia and Kleiner Perkins, there are a fair number of Stanford/Harvardites, but it's not an overwhelming amount.</p>
<p>It's not surprising that most Silicon Valley CEOs went to public universities given the relative size of those universities. However, this data still goes to show that one could attend a top public and wind up at a high-end job (that's not really news to most people either).</p>
<p>extensive discussion of this article in this parents forum thread:
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/424369-forget-ivy-league-most-silicon-valley-ceos-went-public.html%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/424369-forget-ivy-league-most-silicon-valley-ceos-went-public.html</a></p>