Frat Bros at UChicago

https://www.chicagomaroon.com/article/2016/10/4/induction-night-phi-delt-pledges-served-copious-am/

The article describes an intense initiation process! Years ago, frats would bend over backwards to take pretty much anyone who showed interest. Nowadays, it looks like hazing, lawsuits, “beer boat races,” and more have wormed there way in here.

The admin has erred in allowing frats to be the place for “non-traditional” Chicago students - and in encouraging them to expand. Typical to Chicago, they didn’t think carefully enough about molding the social culture/aspect of the school as the institution broadened its reach.

Wow! What a flaming disaster!!

What a mess! When is it ever a good idea to put a bunch of teen boys with half baked pre frontal cortices in a house with no supervision? Who came up with that brilliant idea? Oh yeah! A bunch of teen boys in college!!

Interesting that UChicago does not have to disclose information but if it had been reported to Chicago police, it would have to be disclosed due to public records access. If there is ever a crime, a student should always report to the local police dept.

Also interesting that OP’s take is that all of this nonsense is directly attributable to UChicago’s efforts to recruit more mainstream students interested in “study hard, play harder” lifestyle.

Are incidents of this type increasing? Is UChicago turning a blind eye to these situations or just giving them a slap of the hand?

The last thing my D would want is for this enviornment to take over. Her preference was actually for a school that has no fraternity social life but could bear it if it was low key.

As Chicago is becoming more and more preppy/like an ivy my guess is you will see see more of these things. I would have thought Chicago s social scene would be more suited to eating club-type organizations like Princeton, not frats. Then again maybe Chicago has really changed from the time my parents were there.

During my years at Chicago I never set foot in a fraternity. That was indicative of their minuscule profile on campus as well as my own preferences. Admissions is recruiting ever more talented students. But a fraternity culture as reflected in this case is not in accord with the “life of the mind.” As the college has grown in size there may be a less mature tenor to parts of the campus.

I went to U. of C. a while ago (OK, more than 20 years ago) and was in a fraternity. When I was there, fraternities (sororities were just getting restarted) were (mostly) great organizations for those that wanted to belong to or associate with them. I made lifelong friends and our members were as serious about the academics as the general student body. At that time I don’t think fraternities caused a disproportionate amount of issues / disturbances on campus- any time you give freedom to 18 and 19 year olds there will be some that do stupid things, whether it’s in a fraternity house, dorm or off campus housing.

That being said, it’s sad if U of C’s Greek culture is taking a turn for the worse. For many, Greek life was an integral and positive part of time at a (mostly) wonderful institution. Hopefully the whole Greek system isn’t destroyed by actions of a few.

I am a current student at the University of Chicago, greek life is honestly so minuscule here that even someone referring to our students as “Frat Bros” is astonishingly hilarious. If you want to be theatrical about crazy “Frat Bro” stories then perhaps you should look at a state school’s college confidential instead.

Read the link @UCstudint123 - the behavior described sounds like some fairly intense frat activity, no?

Also - I’m not sure what you mean by miniscule. Per data provided by the school newspaper, it seems like afoot 15-20% of the student body is involved in frat life (if not more). The student body might be bifurcated, but the Greek life presence isn’t miniscule, right?

I get the sense Chicago’s student body is a little more bimodal than most places - a small percentage are in frats, but they tend to be pretty different than the bulk of the students.

If that’s true, it’s a big change from a few years ago. Based on my kids’ experience, I would have said that the frat system was somewhat visible but had very little impact on student life, and that for the most part participants were more like their classmates than not. Neither of my kids had any interest at all in participating in greek life, but they each had a number of friends in fraternities and sororities, and I was often surprised to learn which friends those were. For instance, my son’s closest friend from his major was a very intellectual, very social activist gay man who had grown up on the Upper West Side in Manhattan; it turned out he was an officer of his fraternity. There were a few kids, in one or two of the fraternities, many of them athletes, who were desperately trying to replicate a Big-10 kind of fraternity experience, but they were a distinct minority within the fraternity system. The one kid I knew like that was very unhappy at Chicago, and for the most part he and his frat brothers kept to themselves.

@JHS said:

“There were a few kids, in one or two of the fraternities, many of them athletes, who were desperately trying to replicate a Big-10 kind of fraternity experience, but they were a distinct minority within the fraternity system”

I think Chicago attracts somewhat more of those kids now, and they’ve expanded their “home” at the University. They are still in the VAST minority, but I think Chicago is developing spaces where these kids can at least find some contentment. There seem to be more serious athletes at Chicago (case in point - the men’s soccer team is ranked #1 in the nation - I can’t remember any time when a Chicago sports team was ranked #1 in anything), and the administration seems to be allowing frats to grow.

The uptick in unfortunate shenanigans in the past few years (hazing incidents, illicit frat behavior, etc.) seems to reflect that.

I’d like to chime in quickly, since I’m a former “frat bro” at the UofC in one of the more prominent houses on campus. I graduated in 2012, so my experience might be both somewhat outdated but also somewhat representative of the current greek climate.

The truth is, frats are ultimately friendship clubs where drinking is a primary method of socializing. This article describes a situation that seems out of control, and to some degree it is. But it’s not really a departure from what frats at of UofC and elsewhere have always practiced. In my frat’s initiation ceremony, there was also a ton of drinking involved, though always voluntary and in a supportive way, where folks did not feel pressure to continue if they felt overwhelmed. But other frats have, and always have had, reputations for more intense initiation processes where things can get out of hand. “Hazing” and “illicit frat behavior” is nothing new at the UofC, but what’s certainly true is that frats are under more of a microscope than they were back when I was on campus. Sexual assault allegations and other incidents have made sure of that. One specific episode comes to mind, sometime in 2010-11, when a member of a different frat knifed another member during an argument behind clothes doors. You’ll find it in the maroon if you look hard enough. The University should do everything in its power to make sure that students are safe everywhere on campus, including inside of fraternities, and I think the administration is finally starting to realize that.

I’d like to push back on the undercurrent of this discussion, which seems to be that fraternity members are in some way “non-traditional Chicago students” or detrimental to campus life. Chicago is an intense school, and everyone is pushed to their academic limits. Fraternity member or not, you won’t last very long if you don’t put academics way above all else. My fraternity brothers are now doctors, lawyers, bankers, graduate students, prominent postdocs, etc. Sounds a lot like the rest of campus, doesn’t it? The difference is we’ve made a conscious choice to socialize in a certain way, and most of us understand the terms of the agreement when we sign up to be pledges. Chicago has always taken a hands-off approach to regulating how it’s students have fun, and greek life is an extension of that. For example, students are allowed to form lines outside frat parties, with UC police acting more like chaperones than blood-thirsty law enforcement looking to lock everyone up, which is probably not the case at a lot of state schools. There’s a point to that approach, which is that students should be allowed an outlet in what is otherwise a pressure-cooker environment.

I’m obviously biased, but I think this entire discussion has an undeniable point of departure, which is that we’re talking about UChicago and everything that entails. It’s basically the most intense school in the country, and 6 months out of the 10-month academic year are gray, windy, and cold as all hell. U of C alumni, especially recent ones, can relate when I say that those factors create a recipe for anxiety and depression if not addressed in the right way. I think the administration understands that, and is trying to preserve the right ingredients in order to create balance. Absolutely true that each and every student has the right to feel safe on campus in whatever circumstances they may find themselves. But it’s also prudent not to be trigger happy when addressing specific incidents.