Fraternity issues

<p>My S was looking into Fraternities and two in particular where he knew a few kids who were members. He went to the rush events, enjoyed the events and had a hard time deciding between the two. When it came down to the wire and bid time was imminent, he picked one and went with it. He told each Frat what he had decided as they were both interested in him. Now that he is in the pledging stage, he thinks he has made a big mistake and regrets not going with the other frat.</p>

<p>If he begs out he is afraid that the kids will hate him and that the other frat won't even consider him since he told them he wasn't going with them. Any suggestions?</p>

<p>Maybe he should give it a little bit of time, since he had such a hard time choosing there must have been something about the frat he chose that appealed to him. What caused the sudden change of heart? Something nefarious that he wasn't aware of before arriving on the "inside"? How far along in the pledging process are they?</p>

<p>He could tell the current frat that he changed his mind (the old "not a good fit" excuse comes to mind), but it's possible that due to deadlines passing he'd have to wait till next year to pledge the other frat. And you're right, I don't know what the fall-out would be with the kids in both frats.</p>

<p>I think this is one of those things he's going to have to figure out on his own, since he's closest to the situation and knows the atmosphere better than you do, and he's the one who will have to live with the fall-out.</p>

<p>How they handle it will depend on how he handles it.</p>

<p>My son had a bit of stressed-out "buyer's remorse" after he pledged a fraternity, but now he's really happy about it. Some people freak out after making a major decision- is this a situation like that? Otherwise, I'd advise him like I advised my son....</p>

<p>"Son, there's a good possibility that by backing out of this fraternity after agreeing to pledge, you will be shunned by the members. That's just the way it works sometimes. Don't expect to go hang out with them anymore. As far as pledging other fraternities- that's something that you'll probably have to do the next cycle, as the recruitment phase is already over."</p>

<p>He decided to stick with it, and is now happy he did. This is actually a very good opportunity for your son to make a decision for himself that he feels totally and admittedly lonely about having to make.</p>

<p>I think the buyer's remorse is a common occurrence. There's so much going on, you never get as good a feel for someone during rush as you'd like (this goes for the chapters too), you picked the house because of the guys who are already in the chapter - but now are spending all your time with guys who did the same. I know I had moments where I wondered what might have happened had I chosen ABC over XYZ. Of course now, I can never figure out how I had any interest in ABC.</p>

<p>I'd agree with what Doubleplay has written. The only kids who depledged my chapter and remained on great terms were guys who already had extremely close friends (usually from HS) that remained in the chapter. Those friendships didn't suffer, and they were occasional visitors to our parties, but a lot of other members - particularly the much older members, shunned the depledgers.</p>

<p>As for the other house, depending on the school, going through recruitment again, after already shunning the other house he joined, he's probably going to be at a huge disadvantage...at least with that other house he's thinking about. Also, I can speak from experience, members in the top chapters are usually leery of kids who have already depledged once elsewhere.</p>

<p>My comment isn't specific to fraternities, but in general. Whenever my kids have a tough decision to make, I say, if you choose x, what's the worst thing that can happen and can you live with the consequences? They think it out. They've each separately told me that is a helpful way of analyzing a tough decision.</p>

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If he begs out he is afraid that the kids will hate him and that the other frat won't even consider him since he told them he wasn't going with them.

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<p>If the worst thing is he'll lose the friendship of both sets of kids for a while, how bad is that to him? Can he live with that? Are there other groups for him? Could he do without fraternities altogether, If so, then he can decide that way; if not, he might stay put.</p>

<p>It just puts things into perspective to analyze it this way. Yes, it'll be bad but HOW bad and for how long...</p>

<p>Guess I need to up the strength of my glasses. I misread the title of the thread as "Paternity Issues".</p>

<p>Well Karen - that kind of puts the whole issue into perspective. LOL I'd much rather have a son with a fraternity issue than a paternity issue!</p>

<p>I am probably going to get burned by saying this, but here goes:</p>

<p>Let me preface by saying I am not a huge fan of frats or sororities. I realize they have their place, but, IMO, if "friendships" are jeopardized by this young man's changing his mind about this, they were not true friendships to begin with. </p>

<p>I do understand the very real need to find a social structure from which to create a core group of friends, and a frat could certainly become that. I just think it's a shame when a young man or woman has to honestly question if these people will remain their "friends" if they have to make a tough decision like this...</p>

<p>churchmusicmom,
I can understand why it seems odd. But here's the way it's looked at from the fraternity's standpoint. They recruited the young man; they wanted him. At first he says he wants them, and then he rejects them. OK...fine. But then, they're not going to look kindly at it if he continues to want to hang out at the house and come to parties, etc. They're going to look at it like, "Hey, we asked you to join us. It costs money to belong (we all pay monthly dues. You chose not to. So don't come by the house expecting free entertainment." Plus, there is a certain amount of ego-bruising and wound licking when a pledge rejects the fraternity.</p>

<p>with all the shunning issues,they sound like they are Amish</p>

<p>By shunning, I meant that the kid isn't going to be able to just hang out at the fraternity house whenever he feels like it. Whether or not brothers still want to hang out with him outside of the fraternity is another story. They probably would, it's just that most of their parties and weekend activities are going to revolve around the fraternity, so there's not going to be many opportunities anyway.</p>

<p>Stick it out. There is not THAT much difference betwen them and there will only be a few guys he is really close to anyway.</p>

<p>Thanks for all your replies! I appreciate your opinions and advice. I think he is going to stick it out for now and see how he feels as pledge continues. I will keep you posted. :)</p>

<p>I wish him only the very, very best! I know my brother-in-law developed the closest of friendships through his fraternity in college, so I do understand the good parts. I am optimistic that he will do well....Let us know!</p>

<p>I have a son who is doing the "buyer's remorse" right now also. He transferred in as a junior and thought the fraternity thing might help him meet a large group of people quickly. He too really liked the rush and events along with it--but the pledging stuff is taking much, much more time up than he was told before accepting bid. I think he will be happy if he sticks it out--it's mostly worrying about getting class work done and still meeting the pledge obligations.</p>

<p>His brother (in real life not fraternity) told him that if he drops, be prepared to not be able to hang out there. I never did the Greek thing and my h. and other kids didn't either, so all this is foreign or should I say "greek" to us.</p>

<p>The thing about Greek Life is it is a large obligation and a huge time commitment, during rush, pledging, new brother semesters and as an older brother. Look at it this way, depending on what path your son follows, the fraternity scene is a simalucrum of his future, regardless of what path he follows -- be it corporate, military, civillian government, or non-profit. </p>

<p>The rush period is like the recruiting/interview process of any organization where everything is beautiful and glossed over with smiles and promises. Pledging is training, the hard part, and like any lifepath, it essentially a weeding period. Of course, you signed the contract so to speak and if you reneg it looks negatively upon your integrity. As an individual who was an active greek during my time in college and now am an active and very supportive alumni, I cannot express my disappointment and what it says to me about someone who renegs, particularly early on in the pledge semester. That isn't to say that the person who leaves is a bad guy, it just says that maybe they have an issue with committments and that echos to me as a member of the professional world. But it is worth it to stick the process out and teaches the valuable lesson of how to work together and coordinate with large groups of people, not too mention how to stretch, exceed and shatter your limits. </p>

<p>Depending on the greek scene at your son's school, his pledge class can be anything from as few as 2-5 guys (not uncommon at Cal) to as large as 30 (seen at a lot of southern schools or schools where the greek scene is huge) or bigger. The issue here is, and what I find a lot of people don't know how to do -- yet I feel it is an ABSOLUTELY essential skill, is how to work, lead and follow with a group of people who are otherwise perfect strangers. One thing the Greek System and my fraternity taught me was how to be pliant and how to swallow my pride, yet be firm when I was uncomfortable and had second thoughts. Trust me, the brothers of the house will understand FAR more if you have individual reservations to things and are firm about them than being wishy-washy and perceived as weak. I would tell your son to stick it out with the fraternity he chose. The problem with going back to the other fraternity is people remember that he did not pick up his bid and went to another house. It is one thing to not get a bid and be invited to try again next semester or not accept a bid because one does not feel ready, and another thing entirely to get a bid and not take it to join another house.</p>

<p>The rewards of Fraternity Life far outweigh the difficulties of pledging. Of course, his first semester or two, he may be expected to take on more grunt activities (like helping with cleaning or low-ranked jobs in the house that involve physical labor or low-level management, handling food arrangements, house management, managing cleanup crews), will be difficult but build character and teach valuable life skills and even if he does not hold an executive office, when he gets a few semesters under his belt, usually after 3-4 after he becomes a full bro (as a junior or senior) depending how old he was when he joined -- caveat: depending on the house, school, etc. the process may be accelerated if your son is older--, he will be expected to become a leader and administrator in the house. </p>

<p>Trust me, have your son stick it out. He will not regret it, and he will make friends and allies that will help him out and watch out for him for the rest of his life. Sure, he may be close to only a few of them, but there will be a constant support network for him throughout his college years and for those few years after college which can be quite rocky.</p>

<p>needless to say, its extremely extremely unlikely that the frat he turned down will give him a 2nd chance.</p>

<p>I'm glad andrew posted here because he said what I couldn't verbalize (I'm just a mom so do not have the firsthand experience). People associate fraternities with partying. As a mom, I can see the growth- good things- in my son over the past year, and I am convinced that a lot of it had to do with him being in a fraternity. I believe that his personal development has been accelerated because of the fraternity- in terms of maturity, communication, motivation, and just plain common sense.</p>

<p>My younger son (who had a bout of "buyers remorse") has stuck with it and is very happy. Joining a fraternity is a lifelong commitment, basically, so it is a scary thing. I'm glad he stuck with it; I know it will be a good thing for him.</p>

<p>I always thought of fraternities as being nothing more than party clubs before my son joined one. Since then, I see there is a huge leadership/character development component to it. You don't just join up with a fraternity and expect to show up whenever it's convenient. It's not the same thing as a "club".</p>

<p>It's my pleasure. That's what I'm here for.</p>