<p>Ditto on CarolinaCutie ^ i've heard a lot of good things about Alpha Delta Pi..can anyone tell me about that sorority?</p>
<p>I know several girls in ADPi... they are all sweethearts. And their house is gorgeous!</p>
<p>KD, ADPi, & ZTA are all very strong and popular sororities. However, I can't stress enough to go into recruitment with an OPEN mind! Ignore the stereotypes for each sorority! Don't be so intently focused on which sororities are the most popular, or you'll either a.) join a sorority for the wrong reason or b.) be severely disappointed. Hate to say it, but the sisters know better than the PNMs (rushees) which sorority the PNMs would fit in best at. If anyone has any more questions about recruitment, send me a PM :)</p>
<p>(I guess I'm the token CC UNC sorority girl...)</p>
<p>i know a bunch of girls who are in Pi Phi and they're all really sweet</p>
<p>i've noticed all zetas are blonde. it's kinda weird.</p>
<p>if you're not necessarily a "typical" sorority girl, you might want to look into KKG.</p>
<p>Whatever happened to the OP's request on "Frats?"</p>
<p>Sorry leah, but gotta disagree with you on KKG- I know several non-sorority girls, including myself (seriously, I am not a "typical" sorority girl whatsoever!), who are not in KKG! To be quite honest, KKG has been really struggling with their rush in the past couple of years so I wonder if they even will be on campus for very much longer...</p>
<p>annn, I had been impressed by your earlier "ignore the stereotypes" post, but I am really disappointed to read this latest addition which disparages another sorority. I, for one, did not read leah's post to suggest that KKG was the only house for girls that were not "typical" sorority girls, but rather that it was a house worth looking into for such a person. I have to say that I really don't understand such a defensive reaction - do you really think that your house competes with KKG for PNMs? Would it really be so terrible if some of the 100 + PNMs who drop out of the process altogether each year after being cut from the "popular houses" were encouraged to pledge KKG instead of completely missing out on the opportunity both to be greek and to help build KKG into something better?</p>
<p>And to be quite honest with you, as someone in the know about KKG's standing on campus and with their national, I can assure you that they are not going anywhere. Yes, they have struggled in rush, no thanks to members of other sororities who say unkind things about them and spread rumors that they're going to close. How could anyone expect to do well in rush when they're up against circumstances like that? At any rate, I can assure you that, in spite of that incredible obstacle to their success, they have managed to improve the quantity and quality of their pledge classes every year for the past few years or so. Regardless, their house is paid off and they have the complete support of one of the most financially secure national organizations in the NPC, and the decision to close a chapter due to low numbers is usually due to their inability to pay for their house and the other expenses characteristic of a sorority. It would really be nice if, for a change, the other sororities on campus would be supportive of KKG and try to help them succeed, instead of standing by and expecting and even hoping for their downfall. I would remind you that the loss of any sorority is a terrible blow to UNC's greek system. I would also remind you that, even though your house may be popular today, if KKG ever does disband, there will always be another chapter that has to be "the bad chapter." Sorority reputations are hardly set in stone, and your house could be next. You might be surprised to learn which were the "top houses" 10 years ago, and which were the houses that struggled to make quota.</p>
<p>Also, I would like to gently point out to you that posts like these are clear rush violations, and the internet is hardly an anonymous place.</p>
<p>To anyone else who is tempted to chime in with something terrible to say about KKG, or Sig Ep, or any other fraternity or sorority at Carolina - you're going to do what you want to, and no one can stop you, but try to remember that the people in these houses are human beings, too, and they care about their organizations just like you do. Think of how you would feel if you came upon posts like these about your own fraternity or sorority.</p>
<p>heartofblue- I feel bit a silly now. I agree that in my ignorance about the conditions surrounding a chapter's decolonization I made assumptions that parallel merely rumors & hearsay and I wholly apologize for that. I, naively, thought rumor was truth and like you said, it is these rumors that only add fuel to the fire. The point I was trying to make with perhaps the possibility of decolonization for KKG was that for the girls that went in wanting to only be KKG might be shocked IF one day during their membership period KKG did decolonized, and to perhaps give the other sororities a chance also. This was also wrong, and again I apologize. </p>
<p>I didn't think, however, that my reply was a defensive reaction. I just didn't want girls coming on CC, reading that post, and thinking that KKG was the ONLY place for them and have that mindset throughout recruitment. This isn't the truth whatsoever! I know a couple sophomores and upperclassmen who got a couple bad impressions from selective girls from each sorority, and went into rush with the attitude that KKG was the only place for them. Secluding yourself to only one sorority is a terrible mistake that I feel a lot of PNMs make- whether gunning for the most popular sorority or just joining the most "non-sorority" sorority- at least, during recruitment. I was not at all urging girls to not go KKG and I'm sorry I gave off that impression. I urge all girls who decide to drop during recruitment for various reasons to try COB events. </p>
<p>However, you made the point of emphasizing that all sororities should be supportive of KKG (though I do agree), making KKG seem like the only victim to the inherent cattiness of girls. I think this goes both ways- some KKGs I knew before rush decided not to talk to me after rush because of where I pledged and it's reputation in their eyes of being "snobby"- They wanted to hang out with the "non-sorority" sorority girls. Reputations and stereotypes via gossip hurt EVERY sorority, KKG or not. That's just how the Greek system works, as much as it pains me to say. We do what we can in our own way- I went to the KKG dinner (spaghetti, I think?) and LOTS of other sorority girls showed up along with some fraternity members. </p>
<p>I do feel like you are attacking me in some parts of your post... I don't ever recall (directly) stating that my chapter was a "top" chapter- that might be due to some snooping on your part into my past posts (hey, i've done it too! ;)) and I am well aware that "sorority reputations are hardly set in stone, and your house could be next." I am proud to be part of my chapter regardless of whether it is at the top or bottom. </p>
<p>Though I do agree that the comment on KKG was done in bad taste, I don't think it's a formal recruitment violation, which deals with mostly dirty rushing and essentially "pimpin'" out my chapter to PNMs. </p>
<p>/end to my longest post yet</p>
<p>annn, I appreciate your mature and thoughtful response. I apologize if you felt I was attacking you or your sorority. </p>
<p>It is pretty disgraceful if any KKGs stopped talking to you because they perceived your house as being snotty, though I will say in their defense that a lot of KKGs feel like other members of the greek system automatically look down on them when they found out their house affiliation. Regardless, it is just as wrong for KKGs to make assumptions about the other houses as it is for the other houses to make assumptions about KKG. I know for a fact that there are "atypical" sorority girls in each house, and I honestly believe that, with a few exceptions, most girls who participate in Panhellenic rush at Carolina could find happiness in almost any of the 10 sororities, if reputations weren't a factor. Anyone who goes into rush with her mind made up is, to be frank, very foolish indeed - a lot of PNMs do not realize that it is mostly the sororities that do the choosing, and, unless you're one of the few "stellar" PNMs that all the houses want, you don't really get a lot of say!</p>
<p>At any rate, the major problem with the kind of gossip that KKG is subjected to is that it actually does have an effect on what kinds of pledge classes they end up with. The girls pour their hearts and souls into rush and are just crushed every year when they feel like they've put on an awesome skit and made good connections with girls during rush, only to get disappointing news from Panhel on Bid Day. I really do feel that a lot of the misinformation which is sometimes innocently but oftentimes maliciously spread during rush has a lot to do with that. I've heard a few too many stories of freshmen who didn't have a clue about sorority reputations prior to rush, had a great time at KKG during open house, and then returned sullen and withdrawn for skit round after hearing the "tent talk" from friends in sororities and other PNMs. I will also say though that I do have friends and even relatives in other sororities on campus who have been pretty upset by some of the nasty things said about their house, too. Here I am up on my soapbox, but it's really depressing to me sometimes that organizations founded for the advancement of women so often end up cutting each other down and putting so much stock into what the fraternity guys are saying.</p>
<p>Also, please don't take this the wrong way, but just for your personal benefit and the benefit of your house, I wanted to point you to the Panhellenic Recruitment Rules, so you and anyone else on this board knows for the future:</p>
<p>"It is in accord with the dignity and good manners of fraternity women:
a. To avoid disparaging remarks about any fraternity or college woman;
b. To create friendly relations between fraternity and non fraternity women;
c. To avoid negative publicity on Panhellenic matters."</p>
<p>"D. Panhellenic Spirited Contact Guidelines
1. Normal Contact is defined as normal day-to-day contact with potential
new members. This may include, but is not limited to, working with a
PNM during class, saying hello on campus, and encouraging involvement
in Panhellenic. No member of a Panhellenic group shall promote their
chapter in any way outside of the designated Recruitment parties. There
will be NO phone calls to PNMs; NO initiation of unnatural forms of
communication (NO letters, e-mails, IM’s sent to PNMs, no facebook
communication); NO talking about sororities or individual members of a
sorority; NO eating meals with PNMs."</p>
<p>Anyway, sorry for the seriously long post, and best of luck to you and your sorority during recruitment this month!</p>
<p>On closer look, Looks like I was "breaking" Panhel rule but not necessarily formal recruitment! Oh dear :P</p>
<p>wow, I learned a lot about the frats and sooo little about the sororities!
Thanks!</p>
<p>so now back to frats after the sorority gals just had a nice little argument.</p>
<p>Key guidelines for rush, what is the general perception of houses which are respectable, and which houses haven't already picked there class.</p>
<p>My experience is KKG is in trouble and would not help other houses if they got to mid tier.</p>