<p>Would it kill you to not make such a fuss about things that really aren’t that big of a deal? This isn’t War…this is dormitory housing. If you have a penis, then you’re a male. If you have a vagina, then you’re a female. Period. So room with others of the same sex and stop crying about it. </p>
<p>@BadgerState Well, you’re the one offended and bothered by the existence of transgender dorms. Transgender discrimination is real- and maybe after your friend tries to commit suicide after having to deal with people who behave like you and deligitimize certain people’s experiences to the point of removing all human decency, you’ll understand why it’s important.</p>
<p>Transgender people feel trapped in their own body and tend to be less happy because of it; the least we could do is help them become comfortable- scientifically, the best (read: only) way for that to happen is for them to be able to get rid of the disconnect between how they mentally see themselves and how they('re allowed to) behave in reality.</p>
<p>Also, after looking at your post history, you’re not exactly the one in a position to complain about people making a fuss about small things. “OMG LIBERAL INDOCTRINATION AT GOOD SCHOOLS” is a bit more unwarranted than “Darn. These bigots got my friend to try to kill himself. There needs to be something done about this.”</p>
<p>Your position also puts you in kind of a rut- you start with the assumption that transgenderedness is just something people are faking… which keeps you from looking at the evidence that proves you wrong… and then you lash out at anyone who actually knows what they’re talking about.</p>
<p>Maybe this helps explain why literally all of the top 5% graduates at my very conservative school weren’t conservative. Or why 100% of all the people who got perfect scores (a handful of us) were nonreligious liberals. Perhaps there is some association with intelligence and not spouting off ignorantly, disregarding whatever reality doesn’t penetrate your thick skull.</p>
<p>I’m out. Goodbye CC.</p>
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<a href=“http://www.rochestercitynewspaper.com/rochester/new-battleground-for-human-rights-the-bathroom/Content?oid=2129930”>http://www.rochestercitynewspaper.com/rochester/new-battleground-for-human-rights-the-bathroom/Content?oid=2129930</a>
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<p>The precedent that Gay Alliance organizations are setting at other universities, demanding gender-neutral/ transgender restrooms & locker rooms on the basis of personal safety, lends support to the Christian college’s decision (as per the OP’s linked article) not to permit the transgender guy reside in the all-male dorm.</p>
<p>Good point, @GMTplus7 … now if only they used that logic instead of “lol we don’t think your issues are legitimate”</p>
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<p>OK, gay stoning is BS, but nuking Christians from space is common sense. Yeah, that makes sense. Gees…</p>
<p>@dividerofzero Private Universities should be able to do whatever they please. I have no problem with private colleges denying admission to Whites, Hispanics, Christians, Jews, Heterosexuals, Homosexuals, Blondes, Brunettes, Blues Eyes, Brown Eyes – they are private and should be able to handle their business however they so choose, even if that means discriminating against other groups. It sucks for those who are denied sure, but if a lifestyle goes against the religious beliefs of an institution, then who are you to tell them they need to change? </p>
<p>If you have a problem with the way a private college chooses to handle their dormitory distribution the simple solution is to go somewhere else and not make a fuss about clear-cut policies. </p>
<p>People commit suicide for a lot of reasons, not just transgender issues. Suicide is always a tragic occurrence and we’d all like to prevent it at all costs. But simply because an individual feels one way does not mean we should tell them they’re right in feeling that way or that it’s natural. Gender issues are caused by either a mental, chemical, and/or hormonal abnormality. It should be treated with therapy (and don’t get this approach confused with gay therapy because I DO NOT support that). </p>
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<p>If the private schools are racially discriminatory, then they should not enjoy privileged tax treatment by the IRS as non-profits, and they should not be eligible for taypayer provided grants & subsidies (Pell,Stafford, etc).</p>
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Based on the 15th amendment, I don’t think affirmative action should be legal in state colleges but private colleges can do whatever they want if they don’t get special tax benefits. If an Islamic school denied my entry because I’m Christians they’re the jerks, not me. Also, so many definitions like gender, marriage, war, and others are being questioned that the validity of every English word in the Constitution can now be invalidated and questioned which worries me. Also, I agree with you on huge therapy treatment. Also, based on the issue of whether single sex schools should be forced to admit those of the opposite sex, they shouldn’t as it defies their admissions policies. It’s not as if for affirmative action, I can say I feel like I’m Black and I genuinely count as black as race is a physical state although there are some people with complicated gender situations. I think hermaphrodites shouldn’t be discriminated against in is case as they’re born with a dick and vagina.
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Count me in. I’m a social conservative constitutional Christian libertarian. But in some cases the liberals are correct and obviously not every issue Republicans stand for or against are logical to me. Nobody should be afraid to join us or leave us or bash all of us as idiots because every
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Obviously, there are grey areas but isn’t Klinefelter’s Syndrome where you are simply infertile and seemingly skip puberty reproductively?
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I wish it were that simple.</p>
<p>@dividerofzero
You may or may not be trying to stereotype but conservatives can be the smartest just like liberals can be the smartest. In my opinion, those willing to question the boundaries society sets upon them display great intelligence. In my school, 98% of the kids are liberals and then there’s me and a few others. One of these conservative kids still holds a middle school record for his 160+IQ and got a 190 PSAT score in 8th grade. When we stereotype groups, we get nowhere. I’ve dealt with plenty of ignorant liberals who don’t know anything about politics but call me a racist for disagreeing with Obama. Some online call me a white supremacist even though I’m biracial as both groups have their collections of ignorance. There may be a better correlation with being an ideological minority in your area and intelligence as you have to think for yourself to do that.</p>
<p>I’m not saying these schools should be publicly funded if they have these conditions. I’m saying private institutions without outside funding can admit students however they want based on conditions that a student can control. If every college denied me for not being homosexual, I’d find a way to succeed without college as college isn’t a complete necessity to success. If a school required me to get a permanent surgery to go there, I wouldn’t go there, simple as that. Also, transgenders can still attend a vast majority of colleges. Private institutions have their own responsibilities like admissions that government shouldn’t be in charge of.</p>
<p>Colleges can have whatever policies they want. Although I agree that they need to be much more clear cut about their policies before issues like this come up.</p>
<p>@awcntdb “Well, it seems the world’s largest and fastest growing religion does not see all these gender and gay issues your way. I highly recommend not going into a mosque or walking town the streets of Saudi Arabia et al preaching this stuff. Pretty sure you would not make it out of the building or to the other end of the street.”</p>
<p>Saudi Arabia, probably, but any mosque? There are many mosques in the world where someone could say these things and be perfectly safe. There are also many Muslim men who aren’t violent people. Just like I’m sure that there are churches, temples, synagogues, etc. where you would not be safe expressing the views in question.</p>
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<p>Never said that. Re mosques, I said “in” not '“by.” </p>
<p>Anyway, I would take that challenge. I will go into a random church shouting anti-jesus rhetoric, if you do the same at a random mosque shouting anti-mohammed rhetoric. That would be an interesting test to see who comes out unscathed. </p>
<p>Like I’ve said, there are many Muslims who are not violent people. There is a huge variation in people who attend mosques, and that same diversity applies to churches. I’m pretty sure that if I go inside a church in Mississippi and start shouting certain antagonizing views, I would be putting myself in danger. I can’t say that danger would apply to local churches around here, and it wouldn’t apply to local mosques around here either. You will find a large diversity of “followers” in all religions. That’s just how it is.</p>
<p>Honestly, I would take you up on that challenge if it wasn’t for the fact that it would make me a jerk.</p>
<p>" If the private schools are racially discriminatory, then they should not enjoy privileged tax treatment by the IRS as non-profits, and they should not be eligible for taypayer provided grants & subsidies (Pell,Stafford, etc). "</p>
<p>Exactly. The basis of tax-exempt status of religious organizations that continually discriminate (let’s say, against women in positions of power as a simple example) shows the tax-exempt status to purely be religious. I would love to see some calculations on how much money would be pulled in if there was either no tax-exempt status or a severe limitation on it.</p>
<p>Private schools are able to do much more on their campuses than public schools can. That is whay they are private and most times they publicly list their institutional believes on their web page for interested students to be aware of.
Why some people ignore institutional believes and still attend them, then ask why they are enacting certain policies is just plain asking for trouble.
Its like a Muslim going to a Jesuit school that requires certain chapel attendance before graduation, and on arrival chooses not to attend chapel because he is a Muslim. Why still go there knowing all that, especially when there are other great options out there that does not have such requirements.
People really need to find out what institutions that they are interested in stand for before applying.</p>
<p>I’m sorry, this sounds like a rant… What the world wants is freedom of religion; what the world needs is freedom from religion.</p>
<p>There is NO discrimination here. The Christian college had reasonable arrangements for boy & girl dorms that this student would have been eligible for. It’s not this college’s problem that this student ELECTED to have extreme surgury.</p>
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So true. They can go to countries that the state or federal government prevents their workers to go to, such as Cuba. :(</p>
<p>Just rembered that the freedom of religion is the freedom to choose and to think. The freedom of religion is the very same freedom that allows one to be non- or a-religious. It’s the same freedom that allows gays to marry, people to believe marijuana is good for you or to celebrate Festivus for the rest of us.</p>
<p>It’s the freedom that allows one to hold to any moral code regardless of the said source of that code. Should the government be able to force people to be vegans or all people to eat meet? The stupid requirement that the only exceptions to such a law must come from ones religious beliefs is a preposterous distortion of the federal powers.</p>
<p>The government has very narrow and specific powers and this crosses the bounds on its face because a law like this violates my conscience that all meat is good to eat or none of it is good to eat depending on the side I’m on in this. We have given up much of our freedom of thought because of national ignorance about what the freedom of religion really means.</p>
<p>No issues with religious schools not getting direct funding from governments, but Pell grants and the like are monies for the benefit of the student. The government should not take away their freedom by limiting the schools they can choose. If the government is giving money to students for college, going to an accredited school should be the extent of government strings on those funds.</p>
<p>Frankly, I’d rather the federal government get out of the charity business altogether. They are a very inefficient distributor of wealth and politics ties too much into it regardless of one’s position on issues.</p>