From a Plebe's Perspective...especially for girls.

<p>Hello to one and all...I am KateMac's daughter and just got done with my first semester. I know we learned alot from these threads and I thought I would put my two cents in from someone who has just gotten done with what many of you are looking forward to doing. Some of this will be pretty specific to females because I am one, so sorry to the guys who may have to wade through stuff they don't care about. </p>

<p>BEAST. I remember having no clue as to what anything was going to be like and really just more worried because I had no clue what was coming. Well here it goes...R-day will go by like a blur and hopefully at the end of the day you will think, "That wasn't as bad as I thought it would be." Just do what you are told. There are signs posted about where you are supposed to go and if you don't know, ask one of the civilians. They will be nice and for the most part know what is going on. Other than that, there isn't much I can tell you to help you out, just one of those things you will have to go through. </p>

<p>First detail is "how to be a cadet." You will practice marching and rifle drills and if you get a good squad leader or PSG (platoon sergeant) they will give you tips on how to shine your shoes, brass, and help you set up your TA-50 (ruck sack). You'll wake up for PT and do that. Take that time to have a little fun...the cadre won't get mad if you are being motivational so help out a buddy. If one of the other New Cadets is having trouble next to you, encourage them and help them out. If you have 2 quarts on you, carry theirs and don't let them fall out. Falling out is not an option for anyone. Don't do it and don't let your friends do it. Unless you are literally broken or having a heart attack (one of the kids in my company did actually have one) then keep trucking. Life does not get eaiser if you fall out, it gets harder. After PT you will run up to the showers and have about 15 minutes if you are lucky from the end of PT until breakfast formation. You will shower and change into white over grey in that time (girls will do your hair too) and fill up your 2 qts. After breakfast you will go to briefings. Sexual harassment, academics, you name it, you will be briefed on it. Don't fall asleep. Don't let your buddies next to you fall asleep. Sleeping brings no good news for you or your buddies. If you don't have a briefing you will have issue points. You'll be given everything and the kitchen sink and think that nothing else will fit in your flight bag and then they give you another pair of shoes and pants. Take your time at the issue points. Make sure that the shoes you try on are actually comfortable because you will actually wear them, so if they don't fit, ask for a different size. The people there might get kind of snitchy, but it is their job to help you, so let them do their job. No one will yell at you for talking there so take that time to get to know some of the New Cadets around you and loosen up. The more you find time to be "human" again the better Beast will be for you. Try to not be the first person out of the issue points because then you will stand there with your knowledge book in the sun and just a greater chance for you to get hazed. Once you get up to your room with everything, put your name on it. It will save you a lot of grief when you loan something out to a buddy and they say they gave it back or whatever, you will know because your name is on it. Underwear, socks, toothbrush, toothpaste, everything. Label it. When you get issued your pants and shirts...make sure they fit. If they don't, ask for a different size. As one of my friends puts it, "I have an incredibly expensive wardrobe of incredibly ill-fitting clothes." Don't be afraid to ask because you will be paying for it and wearing it for four years. When you get in your room you will have random things in your drawer and not know what to do with it. I would recommend having one of your drawers with nothing but little issued things like your sewing kit, stamp kit, brasso, and so on. That way you know where all that is and then the other drawers for whatever you want or need.</p>

<p>First detail is attention to detail. Put your uniform on right and help out your buddies. I was in a three man room and we decided that no one would leave the room until we were all ready to go. The first person done would help tie shoes while the other girl would put up her hair. I think at one point I zipped someone's pants while they brushed their teeth. You will get closer to some of your friends than you ever thought was possible. One day one of my roommate's forgot her belt, and the other girl and I got yelled at for it for letting her forget it. You will learn to help out your battle buddies whether you like it or not. </p>

<p>Change of detail will come around and your cadre will try and freak you out by telling you horror stories about your new squad leaders and platoon leaders and so on...don't let them scare you. For the most part second detail is very field oriented...they will be focused on getting you all soldier-ed up instead of hazing you for not squaring your corners perfectly. Now by no means should you do stupid stuff like talk in the hallway or not cup your hands, but the point is that they will generally not be more haze-happy than first detail. </p>

<p>Change of detail will be your first chance to meet your potential sponsors. When you go to their house, have fun. Strike up a conversation and be personable. They want to hear about your family, where you are from, what your cadre are like, R-day horror stories and so on. However, refrain from speaking about bowel movements or gross stuff... one of the new cadets decided to talk about stuff like that and it made everyone a little uncomfortable. That particular New Cadet was not invited back. Don't be intimidated by your sponsor's rank- they have families and are parents just as they are colonels and majors. But again, be on good behavior and make your parents proud. </p>

<p>Like I said, second detail is very field-oriented. You will spend most of your time out shooting, in the gas chamber, eating MRE's and going to Buckner. My class was the first class to do this and from what I understand it really is much better training. In today's Army, very few situations require shelter halves so they have added more training that is very applicable to the war we are fighting now. We did a lot of room clearing and this year they added mounted ops and convoys. Second detail in terms of what you do day to day stinks if you don't like infantry type stuff, but it is more fun because you don't have to "lock it up" 24/7. </p>

<p>Little-known fact, passing off all of your knowledge is not a requirement to graduate from Beast. But you should do it anyway. When you have time in your room to shine shoes and brass and stuff, read knowledge out loud to help your roomies learn it too and the best way I found was to just say things over and over again. During briefings I would write them over and over in my little notebooks. Repetition is the key...</p>

<p>Now for my list of what to bring...this is all female based, but some things will be applicable to guys too. I will try to explain things that may not make sense...</p>

<p>*Shampoo (the stuff they give you is 3-in-1 shampoo, conditioner, body wash. Gross)
*Bath gel (bars of soap get gross and will hit the shower floor...gross)
*Face wash
*Conditioner
*Hair ties (make sure they match your hair color and are on some kind of metal ring or clip. They will disappear.)
*Metal clips, not bobby pins. The kind that snap when you bend them...bobby pins will fall out of your hair and be difficult to keep track of.
*Hairspray or gel...I recommend spray because gel is messier.
*Hairbrush
*Pads
*Tampons
*Q-tips (These are more for cleaning rifles than ears....so bring alot)
*They will give you a toothbrush and toothpaste so I wouldn't really bother bringing those
*Dental pick- go to your local dentist and buy a few of the metal dental picks. The sliver ones that look like little they have little hooks on the end. These are life savers when it comes to cleaning rifles. You will be shooting a lot of blanks and those will gum up your M16 like no other...
*Febreeze. Lots and lots of febreeze. you will smell. your clothes will smell.
*Chap-stick. one of those things no one thinks about until they need it.
*Leatherman. I actually never used mine, but others swear by theirs.
*Compression shorts (if you want them, make sure they are thin and snug, or else they will ride up and cause more problems. I brought a couple pair and never used them.)
*white socks-tall athletic ones. They don't give you enough and no one will know the difference if you have your own...as long as they are the tall kind. Don't show up with the short ones.
*Blister band-aids. The band-aid brand kind come in a blue and silver box and say ampules on the box I think. They are way better than mole skin.
*Athletic tape- to tape down the blister band-aids, otherwise they will not stay stuck to your skin.
*Fan. you are allowed a fan. Try to find the kind that clips on to something.
*Sports watch with an alarm
*Flashlight...small maglites are perfect
*Ziploc bags...a box of small ones and a box of large ones
*500 mph tape- if you don't know what it is, don't bother worrying about it
*550 cord-again, if you don't know what it is, don't bother
*Lighters
*Neosporin and band aids
*White cotton underwear- bring some that fits you....they give you enough but they give you the granny panties and if you want to feel somewhat like a girl, you can bring more.
*They issue you a grand total of four sports bras. Bring white or grey bras and lots of them so you can put on a clean one when you take a shower. </p>

<p>Your parents can send you boxes as long as there is no food in them. Have them send whatever you don't want to carry on R-day like the fan and neosporin and stuff you can live without for a few days. You will get to go to the C-store but depending on what company you're in there may be nothing left. I was in Echo and there were no swiffers and no febreeze left. those are the kinds of things I would have parents send a couple of days after R-day. Have your parents send you a swiffer, paper towels, windex, and 409. </p>

<p>Lights out is at 10 and they will enforce that for a while. However, you are allowed to go to the bathroom whenever, so use that to your advantage. I actually had a hard time reading all the letters I got, so around 1130 or so I would grab a few of them and read them in the bathroom. Sounds stupid, I know, but it worked and it was a way to avoid getting yelled at for using a flashlight. If you end up using the blister band aids and athletic tape, I found that if I woke up about ten minutes before we were supposed to get up and put all that stuff on and then leave it on all day you will be good to go. It will last through the showers and the athletic tape with keep it dry wherever the blister is. Take the tape and bandaid off at night and let it dry out over night. Baby powder then if it needs something to help soak up moisture, but I never really needed foot powder. Take care of your feet for sure though. When they tell you to change your socks, change them. Air out your feet, even if they feel okay, those next few miles may make them hurt pretty bad. </p>

<p>A few don't be's....</p>

<p>Don't be that guy who takes too much food. The people at the end of the table get food first and just remember that everyone is hungry and everyone wants to eat.</p>

<p>Don't be that guy who doesn't help out. When there is some crappy detail to do, make sure you do your part and stay motivated. If you help your buddies out, they help you out.</p>

<p>Don't be that guy who leaves something...a cover, your rifle, your 2 qt. Check yourself off to make sure you have everything.</p>

<p>Don't be that guy who thinks the title "New Cadet" means he can leave his brain at home. Think things through before you say them or do them...</p>

<p>FOR THE FEMALES:
I will try and touch on things that will deal with you specifically- if you have questions beyond this, just let me know.</p>

<p>The period. Some people swear by birth control so they don't have to worry about it or deal with it, but honestly, you will maybe have your period twice and it is not that big of a deal. Just deal with it like you normally do. Bring midol. You'll make it.</p>

<p>Boyfriends. Starting a relationship during Beast with one of the guys in your platoon/company is not allowed. And to be perfectly honest, it is darn hard to look like a pretty girl so you will kind of wonder about the guys who might try and start something. As far as dating a civilian guy, it can work. Both of my roommates now are dating civilian guys and they are doing well. One of them has been together with her boyfriend for three years and the other a little over a year now. They have their issues like any West Pointer/civilian couple, but they are doing well. It is really up to you and whoever you are dating to see if you want to keep anything going. As far as dating during the academic year...plebe year is rough. If you feel you can do it and have a handle on academics and such, then go for it. </p>

<p>Sexual harassment. You will groan and mumble everytime you have to sit through a briefing on this, but I guarantee you will have to deal with this in one way or another. Guys can be really stupid, especially West Point guys. (sorry for those of you who kept reading) There are a group of them who think they can do and say whatever they want. You're not allowed to be friends with upperclassmen on facebook or anything or AIM with them unless you are on the same team and not in the same company. So if some cow in your company friends you, do not accept. Don't message them back. If one of them says something inappropriate to you either in person or in an email, make sure you first and foremost protect yourself. Save whatever they send you or write it down. Try ignoring them at first if you feel you can ignore it. If they don't quit saying things or get the message that you are not interested, send them an email explaining that you are uncomfortable with whatever it is they have done/said. Dealing with this kind of stuff sucks, but dealing with it is the important part. You will run in to sexual harassment as an officer and take what you deal with at WP as learning opportunities to become more confident in your ability to stand up for yourself and perhaps help a friend who needs it. Please, do not be that girl who thinks that she can get away with sex with an upperclassmen. No matter how cute he is and how wonderful he seems, that reputation is not worth it. The chances you will get away with it really are slim to none, leaning more to the none side. This is not a regular school and the standards are there for a reason. If an upperclassman male is pressuring you to do anything with them, they are not worth it and they have a lot to learn about senior-subordinate relationships. The respect chain of command is in place if you feel you need to take up something inappropriate that has been said. It is a long process but it works. Sometimes it may not need to go that route. Often times if you tell your team leader about it, they can handle it on a lower level and it works just as well. It is all situational-do what you feel needs to be done. </p>

<p>Hair. Don't cut your hair. It is frankly more of a hassle to deal with than a bun and most of the girls who get it chopped off end up hating it. One of my good friends did it and she is now having to deal with the pains of growing it back out. Oh, and don't dye your hair blue the day before R day. Trust me, it happened. I preferred to wash my hair once a day because it simply was too hard to wash it three times a day and washing it all the time simply kills your hair and it will fall out like mad. I would french braid my hair and tuck the end up and use hair ties to keep it in place. I used Bed Head hair gel at first, but it was too rough on my hair, so I got hairspray. I would do this after the night shower because my hair is easier to do when it is wet. </p>

<p>Well....I hope this has helped. Shoot me any questions. I will try and help you with whatever you need...</p>

<p>-The Plebe.</p>

<p>KateMac's daughter,</p>

<p>Thanks for an absolutely awesome post. I sure wish we had this to read 3 years ago and I'm positive it will help both the male and female members of the class of 2012.</p>

<p>p.s. Say hi to your mom for me.</p>

<p>That was an absolutely amazing post. It really helped a lot. It really cleared everything up. Can we bring all of this stuff on R-day? What about musical instruments?</p>

<p>I would recommend bringing what you feel you can carry/will need immediately. Socks, underwear, shampoo, bath stuff...that stuff I would say bring with you. The fan, the cleaning supplies, those can wait. It really is up to you and your personal preference. </p>

<p>One thing I forgot to mention was stationary. They give you a box of WP stationary and envelopes and stamps. If you think you will write enough letters to go through that then bring some of your own. I wrote I think a grand total of six letters. One of my roommates sent about 30 letters home...she somehow found the time to write constantly. It is again up to you and what you think you will need.</p>

<p>SHARPIES. I forgot those on my list. Bring about four or five black sharpies because the one they give you stinks and you will use them for everything. Labeling and blackening TA-50. You will also need to share. </p>

<p>One thing that you may want to keep in mind for A-day, your New Cadet will be tired. There will be a millions people everywhere and the academic year is starting in about two days. I know before my parents came I asked them if they would bring up school supplies, which really made a huge difference. Everyone, including upperclassmen, will be scouring the PX and the Cstore for supplies. There will be no notebooks, computer paper, folders, brown bombers, or really much left unless you are some of the first to get there. Ask you parents to bring with them a few three ring binders, notebooks, folders, and computer paper to tide you over the first week until you can hit up the Cstore or bookstore once they re-stock. That way instead of fighting crowds and freaking out because you wont have any pencils, you can relax and spend time eating/sleeping/hugging instead. I know if may be hard for those of you who fly, but even hitting up a Wal-Mart before you see your kid will be beneficial.</p>

<p>Anything else?</p>

<p>I keep thinking of things to say!</p>

<p>Food and the Mess Hall. (This is my experience and others may say otherwise, but just my two cents)</p>

<p>As a female, I was expecting to lose quite a bit of weight once we started because of all the activity we do. However, most females will gain weight. Don't be alarmed and certainly don't tell yourself that you will eat less or go on a diet. Beast is not the time to be counting calories and weight watching. You will be hungry and will need to eat. Not eating enough is really just going to end up hurting yourself because you will be more tired than you would normally be. So eat. Besides, a lot of the weight you gain will be muscle and good weight. They weigh you every week and if you are dropping to much they will start force feeding you and if you gain too much weight (which you won't) they will let you know. Don't do either. </p>

<p>On the other hand, eat well. They will have trays of fruit and at breakfast they have yogurt. Eat at least two pieces of fruit a day and even if you hate orange juice (like I do) drink a glass or two at breakfast. It will help you from getting too sick. And trust me, you will develop the "New Cadet cough." Everyone does at some point. So eat the vegetables and stuff, even though they taste gross. Put salt on some of your food. </p>

<p>Females, once the academic year starts, set up a meeting with Kelley Kidd. She is the nutritionist and she will help you watch what you eat. You will physically be less active and will then need to start watching what you eat. She is really knowledgeable and has a lot to say about what they serve us and she will help you make a meal plan. Once you become a cadet you can eat whatever you want and have boodle. Be careful. You will be used to eating whatever they put in front of you and it will be hard to start controlling your urges, especially because you will get desert lunch and dinner. Just know that you need to keep fit and if you aren't working out as much, then you don't need to eat as much. I personally have had some problems with this...I ate all organic food before I went and had a really hard time adjusting. I lost a lot of weight the first few weeks because I just wasn't used to that food and it was hard to digest. My squad leader started checking my plate for what I put on it and telling me to take more. Then once the academic year started I couldn't get enough Snickers and chocolate cake and gained too much back. Just a word of warning. Eat plenty during Beast but be ready to be careful once you are in the academic year.</p>

<p>And bring whatever you want as far as musical instruments. They will be locked away until you can have them...like if you are trying out for the talent show. (which you should do because it rocks)</p>

<p>When I went to visit WP, there were several bands. Could I tryout for one of them as a plebe? If so, do you know when and how.</p>

<p>I know that cadets do the spirit band and yes, you can do it as a plebe. Really there isn't anything that plebes can't be a part of, the only thing is playing time. If you are a plebe, you may not see as much field time as older players. Generally tryouts for club activities go during reorgy week, the week after your 6th week of beast and the week before A-day. </p>

<p>I am not sure what other bands you are talking about...the actual WP band is all enlisted soldiers. There are bands for church groups like CFA and then the gospel choir and cadet chapel choir...and all of those are volunteer basis and you will get more info on that during beast. So bring instruments if you are interested in that stuff.</p>

<p>Thanks katemac!</p>

<p>I haven't posted for a long while, but this thread caught my eye. I'm currently a yuk (class of 2010) who will be serving as one of the wonderful and friendly cadre members this summer at Beast. KateMac is basically right on in her suggestions, and I suggest that all future plebes take her advice; especially the stuff about helping out your classmates. As cadre we will tear you apart if you are super-squared away but the rest of your squad looks like crap. Furthermore, remember that you will be spending the next 4 years with your classmates, and even though it may not seem like it at Beast, you need to first show loyalty and support to your fellow classmates, even if it makes you look worse to the upperclassmen. My roommate and I had the same rule as KateMac about leaving the room during Beast; we never left until both of us were ready. It's a great system. Also, one last plug for your team leaders. REALLY USE THEM! They are there for you and you alone. Let your team leader know about anything and everything. Most of them can help you or find someone to help you to take care of 99% of your problems. If your team leader is jacked up or can't help you for whatever reason, then let his classmates/roommate know and they will help you out. I know that in my platoon all of the plebes felt pretty comfortable going to any other TL in the platoon if they needed something. </p>

<p>One last thing, KateMac, do you happen to be in E-3? Something you said in an earlier post makes me think I might know you.</p>

<p>Be careful what advice you take. Each company is different. Waking up 10 minutes early could make your mornings a little more relaxed, but it could backfire. That piece of advice sticks out to me because I remember some time during 1st detail that some people in my platoon had woken up early to get some stuff done before PT. That day the cadre tore through our rooms looking for anyone that had an alarm clock and confiscated all of them. The whole platoon was held responsible for the clocks and people waking up early. 2012 could have a different experience because my class, 2010, had the class of 2008, which had been together since beast. 2010 was scrambled before this year, twice, so each person is coming from a different plebe year, and people tend to do the same things that happened to them during their plebe year. For better or worse for 2012, I don't know. </p>

<p>Each company has its own identity and reputation, so advice from one company might not work in another. With 2010 as cadre, there will probably be a variety of upperclassmen in each company this summer. Good luck.</p>

<p>KateMac's daughter-
As the parent of a hopeful female member of the class of 2012 I say thanks a million for the great advice and keep it coming!!</p>

<p>This is a great thread, but it is good idea to keep in mind that things do vary from company to company and year to year.</p>

<p>"
*Shampoo (the stuff they give you is 3-in-1 shampoo, conditioner, body wash. Gross)
*Bath gel (bars of soap get gross and will hit the shower floor...gross)
*Face wash
*Conditioner
*Hair ties (make sure they match your hair color and are on some kind of metal ring or clip. They will disappear.)
*Metal clips, not bobby pins. The kind that snap when you bend them...bobby pins will fall out of your hair and be difficult to keep track of.
*Hairspray or gel...I recommend spray because gel is messier.
*Hairbrush
*Pads
*Tampons
*Q-tips (These are more for cleaning rifles than ears....so bring alot)
*They will give you a toothbrush and toothpaste so I wouldn't really bother bringing those
*Dental pick- go to your local dentist and buy a few of the metal dental picks. The sliver ones that look like little they have little hooks on the end. These are life savers when it comes to cleaning rifles. You will be shooting a lot of blanks and those will gum up your M16 like no other...
*Febreeze. Lots and lots of febreeze. you will smell. your clothes will smell.
*Chap-stick. one of those things no one thinks about until they need it.
*Leatherman. I actually never used mine, but others swear by theirs.
*Compression shorts (if you want them, make sure they are thin and snug, or else they will ride up and cause more problems. I brought a couple pair and never used them.)
*white socks-tall athletic ones. They don't give you enough and no one will know the difference if you have your own...as long as they are the tall kind. Don't show up with the short ones.
*Blister band-aids. The band-aid brand kind come in a blue and silver box and say ampules on the box I think. They are way better than mole skin.
*Athletic tape- to tape down the blister band-aids, otherwise they will not stay stuck to your skin.
*Fan. you are allowed a fan. Try to find the kind that clips on to something.
*Sports watch with an alarm
*Flashlight...small maglites are perfect
*Ziploc bags...a box of small ones and a box of large ones
*500 mph tape- if you don't know what it is, don't bother worrying about it
*550 cord-again, if you don't know what it is, don't bother
*Lighters
*Neosporin and band aids
*White cotton underwear- bring some that fits you....they give you enough but they give you the granny panties and if you want to feel somewhat like a girl, you can bring more.
*They issue you a grand total of four sports bras. Bring white or grey bras and lots of them so you can put on a clean one when you take a shower."</p>

<p>You're better off not bringing a lot of this stuff to R-Day, mostly because you can buy it right in the Cadet Store. I seriously spent about $100 at the C-Store and my PL made fun of me, but you'll slowly learn about what you need and what you probably don't need. Whether or not you get to the C-Store a lot depends entirely upon your squad leader; if there's anything you desperately need, you can always ask a buddy.</p>

<p>Of the items that KateMac listed, I'm going to reiterate what I think would be good to have.</p>

<p>Febreeze: there will always be a shortage of laundry during Beast and you will get used to wearing dirty PTs. This will make things a little more bearable, but you can do without it. If you find yourself running low on clean PTs, you can always wear them into the shower and rinse them off so you have a half-decent pair for your next PT session. It's not weird at all to do this, and you'll probably see cadre doing the same.</p>

<p>Compression shorts: If you're a male, you'll get issued briefs. If you're like me and swear by boxers, you'll definitely want to bring along compression shorts. You'll be doing a LOT of walking and you'll want to reduce friction as much as possible.</p>

<p>White Athletic Socks: Like Kate said, these you really can't go wrong with having more of. Brand doesn't matter, as long as they don't have any visible logos on them and they're not ankle socks.</p>

<p>100MPH Tape (Duct Tape): You will need a LOT of this for tying down straps on your TA-50 gear (rucksack). I was one of the only plebes in my platoon who thought to buy it, and when we ran out I was supplying the whole platoon with tape. It will definitely get a lot of use.</p>

<p>Fans: Buy two if you must, your room won't have air conditioning and having a fan pointed on you at night will be a godsend. 1st detail will consist of sitting at your desk and bathing in your fan's cool air just about every day.</p>

<p>Headlamp: You'll have to set up tents when you're at Buckner, and setting up a tent with a hand flashlight is just inconvenient. I really wish someone had told me to bring a headlamp. Just make sure it has a red lens.</p>

<p>Ziploc bags: Expect to get caught in torrential rain at least once with your rucksack. You can never go wrong with putting your extra clothes in ziploc bags.</p>

<p>Any Johnson-wax products in high demand ? My aunt works for Johnson's and I could get my hands on a couple of boxes of stuff.</p>

<p>Thank you so much for the help.</p>

<p>Do you know if girls can join the club boxing team? I know that its referred to as mens only. I did a little research and I'm pretty sure they've had girls on the team, but I thought I'd ask anyway.</p>

<p>I'm not sure about the boxing team, but when my d asked about the wrestling team during an orientation tour, the cadet tour guide said that females could join as long as there was two joining.</p>

<p>I know for sure that there are girls on the power lifting team. So I'm assuming that if girls can wrestle (in pairs) and power lift, then they MAY also be allowed to box. You'll need to ask to get definitive answer.</p>

<p>During plebe year, boys take Boxing and girls take Combatives for their PE-type class. Combatives is boxing and a little grappling, and there's only girls in the class.</p>

<p>Yes, you can definitely join the boxing club team as a female.</p>

<p>Awesome. Thanks for the answer! I've got a fight in March, and I wasn't sure if I could continue boxing at West Point. I'm glad I can. :D</p>

<p>100 MPH tape - color?.....army green? black? silver? or doesn't it matter?</p>