@dstark, are you saying it is ok to hit someone as long as they are bigger than you? Of course the guy shouldn’t have hit her. And of course she should not have hit him. That shouldn’t be controversial.
@ 39,
I’m just injecting some reality into the equation. I don’t want to burst anyone’s bubble but do you really think Dalvin Cook came to FSU to get an education? He was a 5-star recruit, out of Miami Central, a Dade county football power, half the guys on his high school team, if they stay out of trouble, have NFL talent. That is reality. I’ve seen him interviewed. If he can construct a complete sentence it would be a shock. I’m not picking on him just letting you know he isn’t at FSU, if we are being honest, to get an engineering degree. He there to play football. He will leave FSU early and he will be picked early in the NFL Draft again, assuming he doesn’t screw it up, or he doesn’t get hurt.
4 Vandebilt players were involved in the assault. I’m not getting my information from ESPN. I am familiar with the case. The Vanderbilt incident is not the topic at hand, however.
@Ohiodad51, did you see the punch?
4 in the assault and how many others helped move the girl around? How many others entered the room while she was being assaulted or knocked out? How many others helped destroy evidence after the fact so the cops couldn’t make a case? Do a little math and it was way more than 4 really involved.
Oh I know you didn’t hear about that case from ESPN because like I said ESPN has a love affair and financial relationship with the SEC so it will barely get mentioned.
Meanwhile, if an FSU football player misses Bible study it will be front page news and have full 24/7 coverage from ESPN. But you are right this thread isn’t about that. It is about FSU’s administration doing something positive to prevent future problems. And, apparently, some folks think FSU has messed up big time. I suppose you could say I disagree rather strongly.
@dstark, I saw the tmz video. Your turn.
If you saw the video, I shouldn’t need a turn. 
So, you are ok with the woman hitting him first, probably trying to knee him in the groin and generally being the aggressor. Is it A because she is smaller, B because he is a football player, or C because she is female? Can’t really see how it could be anything else.
Do you ever watch Silicon Valley in HBO? It’s a great show.
I am talking in Jared’s voice… 'I think there may be another choice ot two."
Like the response by the quarterback was a wee bit too aggressive.
And no… He doesn’t get leniency because she may have started it. Sometimes, you just move away from a situation.
I don’t know how good this freshman is but if he is talented, somebody will pick him up.
If you were being fair, wouldn’t your logic apply to the woman as well, and rather than trying to keep the guy from getting to the bar, maybe she could have, you know, not hit him? Or is it just they guy who is expected to act responsibly?
She shouldn’t have hit him or tried to hit him. (By the way, we don’t know what set the woman off). She was out of line.
You are telling me somebody tries to hit you so now you can bust his or her face?
The equivalent setup for me is somebody weighs 80 to 100 pounds and tries to hit me. I don’t get hurt and you are ok if I smash his or her face in response?
Is this case going to trial? If that video is played, that is not going to be good for him.
@Ohiodad51, there is no comparison between the woman’s swat and the man’s punch. This is not based on size or gender; one of them knew how to throw a punch and the other didn’t.
I know it will never happen, but I think sports and education would be better off if we didn’t try to comingle them.
. Students, for one. Athletes, for two. Bread and circuses.
If it goes to trial, and it shouldn’t, he will be acquitted, because she hit him first and was obviously the aggressor. He should never have been arrested in the first place. They both should have gotten tossed out of the bar and told to go home.
And my initial post, the one with which you could not disagree more, was “that she should be in as much trouble as he is”. At no point did I say or intimate that it was ok to smash someone in the face.
I think it is generally wrong to hit people in bars, even if you are a girl.
@ixnaybob, so what? People can do whatever they want to athletes and the kid is just supposed to keep turning the other cheek? Really? Note that I have never said that what he did was ok. But what she did was at least as wrong.
I don’t think she should be in as much trouble as he is.
The fairness argument is ridiculous. He is a division 1 athlete. He probably outweighs her by 80 pounds. He is muscle on muscle. She’s drunk. He knows how to punch. She doesn’t.
Some fair fight.
I think FSU did the right thing. If the guy stays out of trouble, he should get another chance.
I used to work with two guys. One guy was a huge towering figure. His nickname was similar to a fighter’s name in a video game. The other guy was average size.
They were best friends. They went to a bar and got drunk. They got into a fight. I can’t imagine a fair fight unless the average size guy has a knife like the one Crocodile Dundee had.
Next day, after the fight, they find the average guy, slumped, unconscious, parked at the bar in his car.
My wife and I visited the guy in the hospital. My wife and I found his room. We were about to enter his room. We took one look at him. We couldn’t enter the room. We almost threw up. Food was dribbling down his chin. His hair was white. His hair turned white. The guy was in his early 30’s.
The average guy ended up with an iq in the 60’s. He was having trouble eating the last time I saw him months after the fight.
He and his wife moved to another state. He lived another 30 years. I am very surprised he lived that long.
That story bothers me 30 years later.
I have a hard time with fair. The FSU guy is so lucky.
I think it likely that if the FSU kid wanted to hurt the girl, he could have. And that is the flaw in your argument. Either he is so dangerous that any physical action taken immediately supersedes whatever was done to him, in which case it is difficult to understand how the girl was still walking around, or he is a very powerful, athletic kid who did not hit a drunk, aggressive woman who attacked him anywhere near as hard as he could.
You don’t have to hit somebody as hard as you can to hurt somebody. I can’t believe this argument.
Your argument reminds me of this quote…
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We have the video.
When the story came out about the first player, I immediately thought, “Oh, great. What is it going to be this time?” But as many have said the video doesn’t lie and I believe he acted too aggressively towards the woman. He shouldn’t have clocked the girl in the face. A rough shove would’ve been much better not only because he is an athlete, but because it wouldn’t have escalated the situation as to what it is now.
In terms of the whole “Don’t hit women” belief, I think it should be “Don’t resort to violence unless in self-defense”. Someone shouldn’t be protected against violence because of their gender, especially when they’re the one getting in another’s face, shoving, and kneeing that person.
Additionally, how do we know the woman doesn’t know how to punch?
We do have the video. Although we interpret what is shown there very differently.