<p>I really do not want to seam bitter, but I suppose I am. Is anyone else upset about full-ride athletic scholarships??For instance, one kid in my school knew back in October that he was in at Cornell for athletics, and of course the financial aid office made sure he had a very <em>cough cough</em> generous offer. I suppose what I'm most upset about it that although he's a good student, he wouldn't have gotten in otherwise. After one week, he decided our AP Honors Calc class was too hard, and he dropped. But ladies and gentlemen, he'll be at cornell next fall! just my luck!</p>
<p>ummm maybe ur friend is lying bc as far as i kno, theyre all need based</p>
<p>definately not lying. u see, once the coach wanted him for the team, they apparently went over to the financial aide office, and "somehow" it was determined that he would be given a whole lot in grants...aka basically a full ride</p>
<p>Your friend is not telling the truth. </p>
<p>Ivies do NOT give athletic scholarships. Yes--athletics may open the door for admission, but if it is not "needs based", they do NOT give out money.</p>
<p>It is certainly the case that a student who would otherwise be a marginal admit will be told by Cornell or any Ivy that he or she is "likely" to be admitted prior to the ED notification (or, in those schools that no longer have ED or even EA, sometime the summer before their senior year or in the fall.) This does not guarantee admission, but it is nearly always honored. If one is a probable starter on any Ivy team, particularly football or basketball and, at Cornell, hockey or wrestling, this is the single greatest determinant of admission, trumping URM status, legacy or anything else. I know of many situations where students whose SAT's on the old standard were in the 1000-1100 range were promised, and received, such "super early admission" not only to Cornell, but to Harvard, Princeton and all the other Ivies. In some of these cases, the students were informed as early as their junior year in high school that they were "likely" to be admitted. This is important to fend off scholarship offers from schools who have athletic scholarships, and to lock down a commintment to that particular Ivy.</p>
<p>Such students are often given aid based on the same formula as other students, with the difference being that there are no loan or work components. In many cases, this may be a complete "free ride" and actually more generous than what a "scholarship school" such as Michigan, Duke, Florida State, or Ohio State is allowed to offer. </p>
<p>Thus, it is entirely true that the OP's friend is essentially in the situation he describes, but the aid is not an athletic scholarship. It is, however, likely at the outer edge of what Cornell (again, as with any other Ivy) is permitted to do to "meet" his need.</p>
<p>Similarly, such students may be on the "outer edge" academically, but cannot be below about a 3.4/1600 (new standard) under what is known as the "Academic Index" or AI. The AI also includes the student's best subject matter SAT tests so this 3.4/1600 is an approximation, and may be computed using class rank. In football, there are bands of AI that cannot be exceeded, and those bands differ among the Ivies depending on the statistical quality of the general student population. In other sports, the AI of the recruited athlete pool is taken as a whole, with a female tennis player "balancing" a male basketball player, for example. </p>
<p>I am strongly in favor of this practice because athletic success is in my view an important component of what an Ivy school offers, but it is also appropriate to have the truth about this practice open.</p>
<p>You are delusional if you believe that the Ivies, or Division III schools, do not give athletic scholarships. The institution might call them something else but all schools recruit athletes and offer incentives to attend. My d is an athlete who has been recruited for the last couple of years. She is currently a senior. I have yet to pay an application fee, the coach simply signs the app.. The elite academic schools try especially hard because it is extremely difficult to find top level athletes who also meet the admissions criteria. One Ivy League School offered her a huge amount of money for 4 years. The best part of that offer was that if she sustained a career ending injury the money was still provided for all four years. In our experience, a school may take an athlete who is at the low end of their required stats but will not look the other way if the applicant has abysmal test scores, class rank, etc.. Is this fair? I don't know. Is AA fair? Is Legacy fair? Is buying your kid a spot through large donations to the school fair? It has saved me a ton in app fees though.</p>
<p>I think that it is completely fair. It is just another "hook" to get into a school. I think that athletics are a tremendously important part of college life to a student and further to the school. To the student, it provides discipline and of course excercise. To the school, it provides championships. The Ivy League is, after all, an athletic conference. There needs to be a way to encourage the best athletes to win championships. Of course I believe in a cut off, but above a certain threshold of statistic, a student can succeed at most schools, as long as they remember, as most coaches say, that academics trumps even athletics.</p>
<p>It's not the students that have to remember that academics trump athletics, it's the caoches! The coach who has impressed me the most to date said he would never ask my daughter to miss a class in order to attend a game or practice. The difficult part is determing if he is being truthful. Many coaches will say anything to get the kid in the door.</p>
<p>the athlete can tell his or her coach that the amount of aid given would not be enough and the coach can then go over the aid with financial aid and they can change it</p>
<p>i read about it in the book about athletic recruiting in the ivy league.</p>
<p>The Ivies do not give athletic scholarships. I expect banditmag's daughter's experiences have been, at least for the most part, with DIII schools. The Ivies instituted the AI just so Ivies could not "ignore" bad test scores and they don't. Nor is financial aid provided that is beyond the school's guidelines. </p>
<p>On the other hand, as I spelled out above, admission criteria and the analysis of a student's financial needs are pushed to the boundaries. And yes, it is not an athletic scholarship so that it is the student's to keep whether or not she ever sets foot on a practice squad, gets injured, etc.</p>
<p>It is also an Ivy education, and many students who get so-called full rides, esp. in the tier of sports including lacrosse, wrestling, field hockey, etc. will opt for an Ivy over the large state university, or even a Duke or Stanford, where the "full athletic scholarship" may be less than an Ivy provides. In "major" sports, where there is at least the elusive prospect of a professional career, Ivies do not get those students whose aim is the NFL or the NBA, as the Ivy level of competition is decidedly lower. In soccer, lacrosse, etc., Ivies attract some of the very best athletes in the country, and those athletes are aggressively recruited, and aggressively funded. The Ivies are well endowed, and there is plenty of money to meet a stellar athlete's financial needs.</p>
<p>They may not call them athletic scholarships but the Ivies do give aid to athletes that wouldn't necessarily be given if the student were not an athlete. Two of the schools my d has been recruited by are in the Ivy League and both have offered substantial money, for all four years. We would qualify for little or no aid based on FAFSA.</p>
<p>My daughter is an athlete on a varsity team at Cornell and if your friend was "guaranteed admission" prior to the allowable date for notification early decision the school and coach are in violation of the Ivy recruiting guidelines. Further, no athlete "knows" their financial package at this point. As a recruited athlete she was required to provide all her financial information before anyone would give her a preliminary report of financial support. The coach cannot even tell a recruit that they are "in" until the announcement is official. THey can tell that the recruited is supported and is likely (they can even get a likely letter) but none of that is a guarantee. I know of at least two recruits in the Ivy system last year who were told they were likely and then they did not get in. I am sorry, they may think they know for sure but they are NOT sure. We made no announcements until after the ED notification. There are no athletic scholarships and almost nothing merit based at all. If they can't demonstrate need, they get no money. Of course people who lie about this kind of thing might also lie about their taxes or the package they have been promised.</p>
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<p>plenty of athletes are notified early and (if they can't afford it) know that they will be given aid enough to attend. violation or not, it is a fact. yea i understand that it's not a total guarantee but it basically is.</p>