GAP Year -Pros and Cons?

<p>In Africa and S America, I cannot say enough good things about <a href="http://www.madventurers.com%5B/url%5D"&gt;www.madventurers.com&lt;/a>, a UK group.</p>

<p>In China, I like <a href="http://www.cetacademics.com%5B/url%5D"&gt;www.cetacademics.com&lt;/a> (get 1 year of college language credit in 8 weeks) , <a href="http://www.educasian.com%5B/url%5D"&gt;www.educasian.com&lt;/a> and <a href="http://www.centerforstudyabroad.com/shanghai.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.centerforstudyabroad.com/shanghai.html&lt;/a> (because of the location in central Shanghai). All are very busy though and it is late to apply for summer terms but give it a try!</p>

<p>That Aegean program sounds cool, mmmah--what did it entail?</p>

<p>Bez; American kids who travel and live abroad do look at their own country more critically--but I doubt they all think 'it sucks' !! LOL. Part of your reaction might be that it is hard to stop travelling. 'Gapping' is a seductive lifestyle--hence my caution about unstructured travelling.</p>

<p>Congrats to you for putting together such a great year.</p>

<p>Thanks for the movie correction lilly! You are right--it is L'Auberge Espagnol! I loved that film--especially all the send ups of the various nationalities. The American character made my skin crawl a bit--but it was dead on. The Brit lout character was also spot on. Loved it--and thought it showed a slice of what kids learn about each other when they start travelling by themselves.</p>

<p>I do not have personal experience of either of these resources, but have heard good things of both:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.cityyear.org/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.cityyear.org/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://www.dynamy.org/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.dynamy.org/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Question: Does a gap-year improve your chances of getting into a college that you might not have been accepted to senior year of HS? For example, if in your gap year, you do volunteer work or learn the country's language, etc. will it be easier to be accepted into a college?</p>

<p>I ask this because my grades are decent - not great, and I would like to go to college. However I'm not sure how great my chances are at the ones I'm applying for. And travelling has always been appealing to me.</p>

<p>As a senior in college and obviously not a parent, maybe I shouldn't be dispensing advice, but oh well.
If you believe there's a signficant risk of your son not wanting to return and go to college, then some kind of structured, study program may be more important. However, if he has every intention of further study and just wants some time off to travel and do something other than academic work, then simply traveling is a much better idea (after all, he'll have 4 years to study in college). When you're in a program, you tend to meet other people in that program (i.e. other Americans, maybe some Canadians, Brits, etc.) but not a lot of locals. If you just go backpacking around, you can see things at your own pace, meet people from all over (including plenty of locals) and otherwise have a great experience. Some people need structure, but many are better off without it. Europe - and I've heard Australia - are particularly good for backpacking.
As for dangerous places, most places around the world are less dangerous than some US cities (Detroit, Baltimore, parts of DC, etc.). That said, I wouldn't go to to Iraq, Somalia, rural Colombia, or other extremely risky places. However, Saudia Arabia, Indonesia, and most other places with travel advisories mostly just require common sense.</p>

<p>QUESTION:</p>

<p>If a S or D is going to go the more unstructured route, i.e., mostly travel with little or no structured commitments, how long do you think is a good "average" stay in one general location? </p>

<p>I talked to some of the travelers in NZ and they seemed to be staying in that country an average of 2-3 weeks.</p>

<p>Has anyone any suggestions about hostel organizations that have been reliable for these type trips? My S is most interested in the East and any suggestions in Indonesia would be appreciated</p>

<p>williams07student
Thanks--a student's perspective is greatly appreciated. Where did you visit. More details would also be appreciated.</p>

<p>In our family, we send kids over to Israel for a year. Not everyone's cup of tea, but they are a democracy in the Middle East with tremendous experience incorporating and teaching languages to new immigrants. If you got to a kibbutz/ulpan you can work half the time (in their industry, farm or community kitchen) and go to experiential language classes (hands-on, not just textbook study) that make you reasonably fluent in Hebrew within 5 months, emphasizing the spoken language. People come from all over the world, and that's interesting, with dormitory style living quarters. At the end of those 5 months, a representative comes to talk about what else can be done in the country for continued volunteerism.
If you don't want the "ulpan" (language school) piece, there are other kibbutzim (plural of kibbutz) where you just labor for 45 hours weekly, in exchange for room and board I guess. The kibbutz/ulpan combination costs $2800 in program fees for 5 months, covering room and board but not airfare.</p>

<p>my son was also accepted at a competitive LAC where the dean encouraged incoming freshman to consider a one-year deferral. After the intensity of earning a bi-lingual IB diploma in a tough high school, a year of experiential learning was a wonderful thing for him. It is to be noted that his National Merit Finalist scholarship was canceled--I personally think this is appalling. At Tufts, this scholarship is only $500.
Son went to Tokyo, spent the year in intensive Japanese classes, did a home stay, earned great money as a math tutor for high schoolers at the American School, volunteered as an interpreter for the Special Olympics in Nagano. He had a rich and varied life.
He entered Tufts one year later having matured quite a bit, super motivated to take full advantage of everything the school had to offer. The main difference we saw in him is that pre-gap year, he waited for things to come his way. Post- gap year, he was no longer reticent to reach out and give new things a try, to make things happen for himself.</p>

<p>My son is in the midst of a gap year...he will be entering New England Ivy League fall 2007 as freshman..(class 2011) he was extremely ready for higher education though wanted to go to this specific school, under any circumstances, so he willingly took year off (deferred admission) with our permission...The gap programs associated with other countries cost $$, and we were not in position to offer opportuntity, so his options for working/learning were limited to NYC..Cons of Gap Year: difficult to find decent paying jobs no matter how bright, experienced, talented, awards won, etc.-- just considered a smart hs graduate to employers -- Even difficult to find internships cause your competing with college students...luckily my son was able to intern at new publishing company, ad-from Craig's list, where he happily provided almost all reseach for book coming out in May for nominal compensation -he took a physics class at local univeristy (prof. said he could sit in at no cost without going through administration, and now working at University in science lab, where he's worked previously on major science project.</p>

<p>A lot of my friends participated in the ESU program (English-Speaking Union) where you spend a year at a UK boarding school. I don't know if it would be for everyone, but it seems like an interesting experience from what my friends have relayed back to me.</p>

<p>i actually study in japan n hungary, and the experience is great. I think your son will learn alot and mature really quickly. I guess just take life as it come, this is a great chance for him to find out who he really is.</p>

<p>Sorry for not reading through the entire thread, but everybody just posted a paragraph just expressing their positive gap year experiences.</p>

<p>I am a high school student and I would not mind a gap year between college and med school(hope I get in!!). However, the biggest problem with this is TIME. Many doctors aren't able to fully practice until they're in their 30's (assuming they want to be specialized in their field like I do).</p>

<p>I want to be able to start making money and paying off loans ASAP. I am the exact opposite of what credit card companies are looking for. I cannot stand the thought of debt and being a "burden".</p>

<p>Not to mention that the sooner you get out of college, then the sooner you are able to get experience, allowing you to get better positions earlier in your life. For somebody with ambitions like mine, you have to get out of college and working ASAP. Haven't you noticed how many doctors are so old?</p>

<p>My final thoguhts about gap years: depends on your major and debt.</p>

<p>I have been thinking about taking a gap year, but mostly because of financial reasons... I'm a second year college student at a CC, I want to make clear I FULLY intend on getting a college education, so taking a gap year would be just that; a gap year not a permanent gap.</p>

<p>I want to attend a top-notch private university for my major (I have the grades and test scores needed, but the $$ is a problem since I'm not a permanent U.S. resident or U.S. citizen)... I've been thinking mostly about taking a year off and working and saving up as much $$ as I can to help pay off for that education more than traveling around the world since I don't possess such resources...</p>

<p>The truth is that at 19 (20 in May) I really don't know what I want to do with my life. I sometimes feel pressured to make a decision college-wise, pick a major and apply to the state school... I have a pretty good idea of what I intend to do/be, but my decision on college I feel has come by sort of an "elimination process" and not by truly knowing what I want to do or being excited about doing that...</p>

<p>I don't know what to do. My parents don't really support the idea of me taking a year off because they fear: A) I might not go back to college. I know I will definitely do go back though, I know the importance of a college education, that's one thing I have extremely clear and B) that it might be much more difficult for other colleges to accept me after being 1 year away from academics...
1 big question mark for me now is if I would lose any chance at merit aid when I transfer if I do take a gap year. I will definitely look into that sometime soon... I just don't know what to do, any suggestions would be helpful</p>

<p>I didn't mean to hijack this thread, but it couldn't have been posted at a better time... As far as the OP goes; that is a TREMENDOUS opportunity you are giving your S. I know I personally would love to do something like that, specially at this age, before I take on the "grown-up" responsibilities. Once you get out of college you have all this bills and loans to pay and responsibilities increase a lot...</p>

<p>If your S is committed to returning to college and knows/understands the importance of a college education, definitely let him do it. If he's not sure about his future a more "structured" plan like some others have suggested here might be the best choice. My cousin's cousin took a gap year not to travel or save up $$ but because of laziness and he's 21/22 I think and he hasn't returned to college to this point, so it's definitely something to have in mind. Good luck!</p>

<p>Rijeos, plenty of sutdents take time off to save up money for the final years at university. I did it in the 70s, my dad did it in the 40s. Make sure you get a very high paying job--and keep your expenses to a minimum. If possible, reward yourself with an inexpensive trip somewhere--even a short one. Teach yourself how to travel on the cheap. </p>

<p>Also, it's not true that Gaps aren't possible when you are an adult. I've taken a few Gaps in my life--and I am planning another one. Once you establish a decent income for your adult life--and I have a feeling you will--it's really a matter of daring--not finances. </p>

<p>Good lcuk.</p>

<p>paying3tuitions-</p>

<p>What program have your kids gone on when they went to Israel for a year? Are the program and/or program participants religious?</p>

<p>Thanks.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.masaisrael.org.il/masa/english/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.masaisrael.org.il/masa/english/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://www.kibbutzulpan.org/files/Scholarshipapplication_English.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.kibbutzulpan.org/files/Scholarshipapplication_English.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://www.jafi.org/JewishAgency/English/delegations/Israel+Program+Center/Our+programs/Ulpan+Kibbutz.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.jafi.org/JewishAgency/English/delegations/Israel+Program+Center/Our+programs/Ulpan+Kibbutz.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>also, google up the words "Birthright Taglit Tour" to see if eligible, and if so, understand that you don't have to come home after those l0 days but can stay on for other programs such as the Kibbutz/Ulpan. Piggyback, in other words. (oops, no pigs)</p>

<p>Most Israelis, on kibbutz and off, the VAST majority, are not ultra-orthodox. </p>

<p>In Israel, remember, if somebody wears a kipa (yarlmuke, scullcap) that doesn't mean "religious" as it does here. It's a national identity. Re: "religious" (I'd say "observant" instead, or Shomer Shabbat) but: most kibbutzim are NOT religious as you envision, in fact most kibbutz residents, as well as 5-month volunteers, are notoriously "secular." It will say right on the list of kibbutzim, by name: if religious, it'll say so; if not, it'll be silent on that item. If religious, they often have wording like this: you are personally not required to keep strict observance but to respect the norms of the kibbutz community." </p>

<p>The program participants might be religious or not, but those that arre religious go towards the religious kibbutzim. Some are just adventurers from all over the world. And some are not Jewish! Since you asked, I'm guessing you'd feel a better fit with those that do not say "religious." </p>

<p>For a volunteer experience without the Ulpan but fascinating, with a bird sanctuary and cutting-edge environmental desert ecology research, gooogle up the Reform "green" kibbutz, "Kibbutz Lotan" in the southern part of the country. They're in the more liberal branch so they're deeply Jewish but with progressive global values. You see why I don't want to give away the word "religious" to the orthodox; the Reform Kibbutz is a very spiritual place, but not orthodox :) </p>

<p>There are other kibbutzim where they are l00 % work and no ulpan (language) and they might even be free, I don't know, but we wanted the language piece, so will pay the $2800 for the 5-months. Language there is half the time, the other half is work. Some organize it by half days, others alternate M-W-F, Su-T-Th. In Israel, of course, the workweek pulls to a close around l p.m. Friday in preparation for sabbath, but then Sunday morning begins a full working day. </p>

<pre><code> SOme kibbutzim have 3 and 4 generations living there and they are the mainstay, set the tone for the whole place. The 5-month program people come and go in that time-frame so they are the "guests" of the kibbutz, expected to behave well as guests would. Some integrate well between the hosts and the school, others keep a bit of distnace, since it's hard to keep bonding with new people every 5 months. If they mention "kibbutz host families" or "host Shabbat dinners" that indicates closer relationships, of course. The ulpan training is unparallelled around the world.
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<p>Other forms of volunteerism can be found by googling up Magen David Adom (Israel's Red Star of David, recently admitted at long last into the International Red Cross) where people from ages 8-65 can sign up for l0 week stints as volunteers on the back of ambulances, which train for simple assistance (not to the level of paramedic) to the ambulance drivers, who speak English, French, etc. and they declare the second language for their ambulance so can call out orders in English. A person can re-enlist after l0 weeks, as long as they are enjoying the learning gained. There's also volunteerism there for helping at the fire stations.
I've heard about an effort to rebuild, paint, etc. the many apartments in Northern Israel bombed last summer by the Katyusha rockets. If you want that link, PM me and I'll find it for you.
I don't want to scare you, either. I've gotten used to these ideas over time. It's just a bit different than the usual teen tour, not that there's ANYTHING wrong with that, either.
Finally, Google up: "Young Judea" run by Hadassah for post-h.s. students. It goes in thirds: one-third study, one-third service (e.g. MagenDavid Adom), one-third travel in 3 month chunks. THey start each year in Sept or thereabouts.
Finally finally, google up "Dorot" which has a program for post-college graduates, a gap year between college and career. That one's competitive, though, for a grant that's due around Jan. of each year.
The others have more frequent entry-dates (kibbutz ulpanim start all through the year; magen david adom several times yearly).
You're welcome.</p>

<p>What a doozy of a mistake; above I said Magen David Adom (ambulance) volunteers are ages 8-65. Naturally, I meant, 18-65. Yeesh.</p>

<p>This has been a really insightful thread. Thanks to all the contributors!</p>

<p>I have an idea. Why not create an organization that helps kids who want to travel the world for gap year? unless of course there already is one.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.gapyear.com%5B/url%5D"&gt;www.gapyear.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>thanks cheers, I'm really thinking about doing that. I just don't know if what my mom says about being harder to get admitted to schools later as a transfer after 1 year off is true or not. I'll have to see.</p>

<p>Also I didn't say it was impossible to have a gap year or even a break as an adult but I would imagine it'd be much tougher with the increased responsibilities... I'll look into it right now though.</p>

<p>Very good thread I agree by the way...</p>