<p>OP - I agree. As a gay student you will be accepted by the majority and most likely will not suffer any more bullying due to your sexual orientation than at other universities. I agree with the other posters that say you’ll find other gays but not in larger numbers that you might find at other schools. I was curious and I spoke to my niece who graduated last year as giving my impression from 20+ years ago wouldn’t help you. She said “sure, there are gays at ND.” To her it wasn’t a big deal, one way or another. I’m sure there are many others, like my niece, who have close family members who are gay. It’s a fact of life. Yes, it’s against church doctrine but so are many other things that “Catholics” choose to overlook - like pre-marital sex and birth control (before or after marriage). Many, many students are catholic but they’re not bible banging, preaching catholics. Good luck on your decision - I’m sure it will be a difficult one.</p>
<p>And as for the whole, Georgetown thing? I’d guess if a poll was given, the majority of people in the US would not even know Georgetown is a catholic school. Yes, people think Georgetown is a good school but not a catholic school.</p>
<p>How about Boston College, Providence College, University of San Francisco, University of Scranton, etc.–do you think that people in the US know if they are Catholic? Or St. Mary’s College of Maryland–Catholic or not? (Not, by the way). Just because the name is not suggestive of a religious affiliation doesn’t mean that Georgetown isn’t Catholic, and it doesn’t mean that Georgetown is not the most prestigious Catholic school in the country (and the founding Catholic school in this country). Yes Georgetown is Catholic. Yes Georgetown is more prestigious than Notre Dame, Holy Cross, Boston College, etc. Yes Georgetown is the most prestigious Catholic college in the country. Sorry the logic escapes you.</p>
<p>Medman - get a life. Don’t take over the OP’s post with your ranting about how great Georgetown is. Yes, Georgetown is catholic but it is not perceived to be catholic by the majority of the the country. Deal with it. BC, Holy Cross & Providence - I’d wager more people know they’re catholic than Georgetown. The rest, doubtful. And we could go on and on listing catholic colleges because there are many great ones in the country but that’s not what this thread is about. Is Georgetown more prestigious? Some would say yes, others would say no. We all acknowledge you think Georgetown’s the best catholic school in the country but if you can’t add insight to help the OP make his decision, go start your own thread about how wonderful and prestigious is Georgetown.</p>
<p>medman’s “It’s just too bad every kid in the country can’t go to Georgetown, the most prestigious and Catholic University in the states, no the world, no the galaxy” thread. </p>
<p>Medman you really need to cool it. Georgetown is a fantastic school, but it is around 50% catholic in terms of the student body, whereas ND is about 80%. In terms of prestige, I’d wager ND now holds that prize. It’s simply a more polarizing and recognizable name thanks to the football program, and it’s graduates also earn far more money, as shown by the new 2012 college payscale rankings. Notre Dame ranks top ten. Georgetown? Not even close, clocking in at 36. Clearly the Notre Dame stigma carries more weight with employers these days…and by the way, when Georgetown was founded in 1789, the Jesuits weren’t even considered catholic; in fact they were in the midst of a decades long suppression by papal decree that was only lifted in 1815, so Georgetown really can’t even be considered e oldest catholic institution in the country because the Jesuit order was banned by the Vatican at the time of its founding. Go spew somewhere else, I’m sure the GT forum would enjoy your venom.</p>
<p>@ medman, you’re deliberately being difficult and confrontational. You need to stop being so hung up on prestige. On the AU thread, when a mother said her daughter ruled out Gtown because of the cost, you said “do you think your daughter would have been admitted to Georgetown??? Georgetown doesn’t give merit aid because they don’t need to ‘buy’ students.” Very rude.</p>
<p>Someone who is so unnecessarily defensive of their school really gives it a bad image. And just to let you know, I know four people who got into both GU and ND, and all four of them chose ND, not for financial reasons, but because they considered ND to be a better school.</p>
<p>And when you ask why more people apply to Gtown than to ND, it’s not prestige; it’s for precisely the reason outlined in this thread. ND is extremely Catholic, and Georgetown is not. That fact turns a lot of people off from ND. It’s not because it’s any less prestigious.</p>
<p>^Does Notre Dame buy students (not athletes, which we know they do, but actual students)? Why are you ND supporters so anti-Georgetown and the FACT statements made about founding dates of universities, Catholic origins, etc? ND is a much more Catholic university, I never disagreed with that (and I might add, is one of its strengths as well as its greatest vulnerabilities); but answer my question about prestige by some other measure than starting salaries (by the way, Georgetown does not have engineering programs which is the biggest factor in determining starting salaries). Do you know where alumni (not new grad) salaries rank puts GU vs ND–GU is in the top 10 always; ND is in the 20-35 range. Oops…</p>
<p>I’m not an ND supporter, and I’m not anti-Georgetown. I actually applied to Georgetown. What I’m against is your elitist attitude and constant putting down of other schools on CC. Not everyone sees Georgetown as the holy grail. Believe it or not, there are people who choose “lesser” schools over it.</p>
<p>When deciding between two schools superior in your area of study, university prestige, which is capricious, hard-to-define, and meritedly unsubstantial, should not be the deciding factor. Notre Dame is a great school, and I think other posters have adequately covered your quibbles about matriculating there, but, as a to-be Georgetown freshman in the fall, my attitude to the prestige discussion is one of marked nonchalance. </p>
<p>Yes, Georgetown is a Catholic school, but it is undoubtedly much more lax than ND, and I’d agree that Georgetown can be considered nominally Catholic in many regards. Therefore, trying to define the most prestigious Catholic school without qualifications is lucidly futile, not only because of the stellar reputations of both schools (prestige) but because of their fundamentally varying religious policies (Catholic factor).</p>
<p>Ave Maria University, founded by former Domino’s Pizza owner/creator Tom Monaghan (who has one daughter who attended Georgetown, probably the others attended Notre Dame or something), is clearly more “Catholic” thank Notre Dame–based on the comments in this post, it would be the most prestigious Catholic university, clearly beating out even the oh-so-Catholic Notre Dame. You know what, you all are right–Ave Maria is more like Notre Dame and vice versa–Georgetown is no where in their league…thankfully.</p>
<p>End of argument medman. Even someone so blind to facts as you can’t dispute actual evidence. Those of the 2012 statistics for lifetime earnings of graduates of just about every college in the country. ND is top ten. Georgetown, once again, mid thirties.
Oops…</p>
<p>@VolTear and @Saman42 I was actually attempting to respectfully diffuse the pseudo-controversy between the two schools. You both are either very testy or you didn’t comprehend the intent of my post.</p>
<p>@Wizkid, VolTear was telling medman to go away (I think). I seconded THAT. I think he just accidentally used an extra arrow. If he was telling you to get out, then disregard my previous comment. I understand what you were doing, and I appreciate it.</p>
<p>As a matter of fact when someone’s post’s seem a bit extreme ( and I am being kind here) I go back and read some of their prior posts to see if I am misunderstanding their intent and tone. I see you seem to quite enjoy going on other school’s forums and preaching the glory of Georgetown while being very critical of other top schools. You like to stir things up and push people’s buttons and reading your old posts confirmed my suspicions. You obviously appear quite insecure and I just wonder how you have so much time as a busy med student. If you really want to contribute something positive where people will give some credence to what you say might I suggest that you not come off as so obnoxious? Your tone discredits much of what you say and I really do think you have some great insight. Just a suggestion.</p>