<p>Alexandre, your takes are theologically sound.</p>
<p>Im from California...</p>
<p>"????? what is God? sorry, PLEASE stop making up creature that doesn't exist. geeeeeeeez, you are mad.................."</p>
<p>You need to take some english learning classes. You all talk of tolerance...well i tolerate these obsessively large posts that i did not all read. :)</p>
<p>vtoodler's argument is flawed. Banning homosexual marriage is not going to deprave the political ideals by which our country was established.</p>
<p>TheDad - exactly the point. My generation has grown up with interracial marriage always having been legal, and the thought that it had ever been illegal (not just frowned upon) shocks us. I imagine that, for many of us, that view is easily transferred to gay marriage. </p>
<p>Perhaps some of it is that the lingering effects of marriage for social gain is gone - we all tend to think of marriage as a love thing, which makes gay marriage easier to stomach.</p>
<p>" (not just frowned upon) shocks us."</p>
<p>there are plenty of people who would not get married interracially whether or not it is legal.</p>
<p>Suicide does not hurt other people right? But yet our policement take great measures to stop this from happening when confronted with it. This can be related to gay marriage because suicide doesnt hurt anyone as you all say for gay marriage yet we still try and prevent it.</p>
<p>No.</p>
<p>Suicide and gay marriage are so UNrelated that you cannot possible conflate them for this argument. The former is often called "a permanent solution to a temporary problem;" we try to stop people to get them much-needed help. Most people who were suicidal would, years later, be thankful for intervention. </p>
<p>Contrast gay marriage. If you watched the Massachusetts ceremonies, those people had been together for decades. They aren't going to change their minds. </p>
<p>You're absolutely nuts if you don't think that suicide hurts people. The argument for gay marriage, IMO, goes WAY beyond "not hurting others" and into basic civil rights, human dignity, and the like. </p>
<p>Have you ever dated outside of your race?</p>
<p>"Most people who were suicidal would, years later, be thankful for intervention."</p>
<p>true and it would be the same thing with gays if they just saw a psychiatrist.</p>
<p>Are you serious? I am not sure whether to take TakingBackSaturdayx's words to be playing dumb or complete ignorance and idiocracy. Homosexuality isnt a mental disorder, unlike suicide. Suicide deals with a number of emotional issues, including depression, neglect, self-doubt, self-pity, a number of issues that can only be cured through the help of others' overwhelming support. Homosexuality isnt a problem that needs to be fixed. If you were knowledgeble, you would know homosexuality isnt only in humans, it is also in all other animal species. The common-shared ignorance of the conservative.</p>
<p>"The common-shared ignorance of the conservative."</p>
<p>I consider myself to be conservative... but I also follow the idea that gays are asking for the most conservative thing in the world: the ability to marry and raise children in a stable, loving home. They are also asking for a very conservative-libertarian idea: to have government let them do what they want and to expand civil rights to all groups. </p>
<p>By the way... only 1% of gays who seek intense professional help for their situation are converted back to heterosexuality. That, IMO, is NOT any indication that homosexuality could be "treated;" rather, that 1% is a statistical anomoly of people who are either so desperate for acceptance that they suppress their feelings or are bisexual and can manage to live in the heterosexual lifestyle.</p>
<p>TakingBackSaturdayx,</p>
<p>Where are you from?</p>
<p>I pray he is not from the South. We have enough problems without his bigotry. That being said. Gay marriage should be allowed. There have been no credible reasons presented that support restricting gay marriage. The religious basis for banning gay marriage is vague and if you look at the original dead sea scrolls and translation of the big eight bible verses. We see that the references to homosexuality being an abomination or "against nature" are really references to homosexuality being against accepted Jewish teachings at the time. More importantly one thing that Christians using the bible to substatiate their claims is that half of the references against homosexuality were written condemning idolatry.
I'll post more later.</p>
<p>TBS, it's obvious that you don't know many, if any, gay people.
A predominantly gay orientation is inherent and not something subject to psychiatric therapy. [Note: to get a first approximation for accuracy, sexuality is not a binary gay/straight condition but a spot somewhere on a continuum. Most people slot easily into either "straight" or "gay" but some are far more ambiguous and some are true switch-hitters.] Being gay is not a choice and it's not a "lifestyle." If you lived and worked with some gay people, you would know that.</p>
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<p>What about the fact (which has been proven beyond all shadow of a doubt) that "committed" gay men are serial adulterers and have up to 25x the number of sex partners as straight men of the same age?</p>
<p>Considering that half of all mariages already end in divorce and things such as being monogomous and waiting to have sex have already fallen by the wayside the past 30+ years, I can't imagine anything "good" coming from gay marriage...</p>
<p>If you want my opinion "gays" need to get over themselves and start acting in way with more respect for themselves, society, and what's natural. There are plenty of other ways to "rebel" without choosing to be a homosexual.</p>
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Note: to get a first approximation for accuracy, sexuality is not a binary gay/straight condition but a spot somewhere on a continuum. Most people slot easily into either "straight" or "gay" but some are far more ambiguous and some are true switch-hitters.] Being gay is not a choice and it's not a "lifestyle." If you lived and worked with some gay people, you would know that.
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<p>That's wrong and has been proven so 3424323 times now.</p>
<p>Anyway, I think they should get all the benefits, but for some reason my intuition pulls against calling them a married couple. Who knows...</p>
<p>They deserve better than what they have, but it is their own fault.</p>
<p>"If you want my opinion "gays" need to get over themselves and start :acting in way with more respect for themselves, society, and what's natural. There are plenty of other ways to "rebel" without choosing to be a homosexual."
I want evidence that being gay is a choice. Why would someone choose to have their family disown them, half the country loathe them, and have people want to kill them. I see why being gay is so appealing the benefits obviously are greater than the detriments. I mean, I'd love for my family to tell me to burn in hell. That's an act of rebellion for ya!
If you want talk about people getting over themselves and acting in a way that benefits society better than why don't straight, "normal" people stop desicrating the act of marriage. If what you say is true about committed gay couples(which without proof is crap) then obviously the men were not committed to each other were they?<br>
Again give me proof to substantiate your claims and I will readily accept them. Also there are a significant number of heterosexual couples who "swing" and have multiple partners while being married and in many cases having children.</p>
<p>Maize&Blue22...
a: how dare you say gays don't respect themselves! the people i know who are gay or bi have way more self respect than most straite people.
b: Its not that they don't respect society, but rather society does not respect them.
c: show me the evidence that being gay is a choice, i live in a city with possibly the largest gay population in the US, and I know possibly more gay people than you have met in your life, and from my experience, it is not a choice, and people who are open about there sexuality are respecting what is "natural."</p>
<p>M&B22, the only place that has been "proved" is on Faux News.</p>
<p>"Switch-hitting" is choice.</p>
<p>Living in the Bay Area, I can concur with SF_student that most gays here carry themselves with dignity and are very respectable people. They should be allowed to marry. For ****s sake, they love each other, they will be compassionate towards each other, let them legalize it like everybody else. However, I think there should be certain limitations, like how much homoerotic behavior is shown on television and displayed in PDAs, especially when children and teens are around and about.</p>
<p>"If you were knowledgeble, you would know homosexuality isnt only in humans, it is also in all other animal species. The common-shared ignorance of the conservative."</p>
<p>Ok except i knew that. Obviously this has no valid point since humans are doing it as well. You cannot prove that the animal is inherently gay. It could be choice for the animal as well.</p>
<p>I AM FROM CALIFORNIA AS I SAID BEFORE :)</p>
<p>"Suicide deals with a number of emotional issues, including depression, neglect, self-doubt, self-pity, a number of issues that can only be cured through the help of others' overwhelming support."</p>
<p>exactly omg cant you see...what you just wrote is exactly true for gays as well HAHA. Gays want support, and they want others to feel sorry for them even if that means that some ppl will hate them. They are getting noticed just as the punker with a mohawk gets noticed.</p>