<p>I don't think that people aren't gay in Saudi Arabia, it's just that no one knows probably.</p>
<p>How many people would you tell that you were gay, if being gay was a capital offense? Not a lot I'm sure.</p>
<p>And you'd probably marry a woman and spit out 6 useless kids to hide that fact as well.</p>
<p>When you don't marry and have kids, especially in more conservative societies, people are VERY suspicious of you.</p>
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<p>Maybe, but you know there are no gay people in Iran.</p>
<p>I'd really like to find out how much homosexuality is based on nature/nurture.
My philosophies about homosexuality pretty much stem from the biological facts.</p>
<p>This is the way I look at it: A species survives through reproduction. Thus, an incentive to have sex is created w/ hormones and w/e in humans. Babies will survive better with helpful parents. Thus, parents naturally tend to stay together until their babies are grown up. There's marraige.
Marriage is an ancient foundation. Obviously, it arose from raising children.
That's what makes it difficult to understand homosexuality. No babies. What makes gay people love each other? Stay together? Want to marry?
That's why I can't make a decision about whether gays should have marriage rights. Why do they want to marry? IMO, if marriage was meant for having kids, but now people marry without having kids, I guess gay people should be able to marry without having kids.</p>
<p>Sometimes, I think some people just do it because of social reasons. There was this song someone told me about that <em>promoted</em> homosexuality. Anyway, I know two people in my school who became gay. I say "became" because I believe it was for social reasons. They were already so ostracized by society, perhaps homosexuality made them feel they belong or conveyed their rebellion against the mainstream.</p>
<p>The gender thing too. "Gender neutral"? I have a system to determine your gender. Look down.
Except XXY. This stuff is confusing. EDIT: XXY=Male!</p>
<p>Don't judge me!
EDIT: Don't judge me! Was a joke. Can't you tell from the inflection in my voice? :-P</p>
<p>^ If you don't want people to judge, don't post. [Just a fact, not an attack.]</p>
<p>But anyways, by your logic, somebody like me (who can't have kids) shouldn't get married. And no, people, no matter how "rebellious" they are, would be able to stay with somebody that they don't love for years just to be rebellious. And btw, since you're so biologically-based, it is proven that the hypothalamus of many transsexual individuals differ from those who are biologically that gender. For example, the hypothalamus of many transgendered men much more resembles that of a biological woman's hypothalamus. It's not a choice.</p>
<p>Sorry Liist, I did not realize HOW different you are now from who you used to be. I am proud of you. <em>high five via CC</em></p>
<p>romanigypsyeyes, I was just saying my philosophies. I haven't made a decision, and I am very open to the possibility that homosexuality is biologically-based. I italicized that SOME people do it for social reasons.</p>
<p>Interesting about the hypothalamus thing! I still won't exactly concur that "It's not a choice" until cause and effect is proved. My body chemistry is significantly influenced when I'm nervous.</p>
<p>I know this sounds stupid, but why do people who don't/won't have kids want to get married? (Haha: What is love?)</p>
<p>Right now I'm working in an internship in San Francisco. Originally, I'm from one of the more conservative parts of CA. Gays are widely accepted here and it's an interesting concept to me how different parts of America see gays differently. Where I come from, most gays are considered devil worshippers who read the Book of Satan. But soon after you actually come to realize it, gays are people too (that sounds bad). They are actually personable, intelligent, caring and funny. Only a few days ago, I had lunch with some people and soon discovered one of them was gay. I was having a real conversation with him and it came up. Honestly, it was kind of surprising to me because of the way I've been raised. Most of the time it's kind of hard to determine this kind of stuff because gays are ordinary everyday people as well. But truly (and sadly), gays don't have an easy life except for maybe in cities like SF or Boston.</p>
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Being Married is a sign of commitment. It shows that you love another so much that you are willing to spend the rest of your life with him/her. This question also goes hand in hand with another "Why do people who don't want to get married have kids?" Both are personal and don't need explanations.</p>
<p>WMHS, because they are in love. Personally, I find no point in marriage and will only be doing it for the tax benefits and legal rights. I don't feel as though I need a piece of paper to prove that I'm going to be with somebody I love for the rest of my life. </p>
<p>And I wasn't stating my philosophy, I was showing you what your philosophy meant.</p>
<p>And just out of curiosity, do you make a conscious choice everyday when you wake up to be straight? Because that's essentially what you're saying gay people do. Trust me, it's not a choice. I went to a Catholic school for nine years and tried to change my feelings every day. I HATED myself for liking girls because that was the absolute worst thing. If I could've changed it, I would've. It's not a choice.</p>
<p>^ You are a liar. You work for the those horrible, pro-baby killing, communist, liberals who want to control the World.</p>
<p>Anyways, I knwo what you mean. I grew up in a very conservative family, and not a day went by that I did not want to be the same as everyone else.</p>
<p>"Why do people who don't want to get married have kids?"
Because people want to have sex and sex wants to have kids, although the people don't want to have kids. But some people want to have sex more than they want not to have kids and then there are the "oops" babies.</p>
<p>Haha that was a funny 2 sentences.</p>
<p>And remember romani..., I said that I think SOME people do it for social reasons, but I DO believe that some people have a biological predisposition that influences one to be homosexual. You're misinterpreting what I said. I think that there definitely could be biological reasons that people become gay.</p>
<p>^ That is why sex ed. should be manditory(it is not at my school, and pregnant girls roam the hallways)</p>
<p>Haha rmadden15, at first I thought you were saying that about me!</p>
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There are lots of legal rights that aren't granted to couples unless they're married. A quick google search yielded this page: Legal</a> and economic benefits of marriage.</p>
<p>Poseur, I sort of meant my question on a why to they love each other/want to stay together. I guess it's a sort of reverse thing. Having children creates the foundation of marriage which creates the concept of love, but then some people love without having children in the first place.</p>
<p>But from looking at that benefits of marriage page, it looks like gay people should be able to marry if they plan on staying together like a straight couple.''</p>
<p>^ I interviewed a couple today for my senior history project who graduated in 1937. They have been together as a couple for 73 years, but have never had children. Believe it or not, people can love without children. Children should never be the reason couples stay together, love should be. Have you really never loved somebody without having a child with them?</p>
<p>"Having children creates the foundation of marriage which creates the concept of love"</p>
<p>So are you suggesting people have children first and THEN get married? =]</p>
<p>I have a few gay friends between the ages of 17-45, and really, many of the OPs opinions are also that of gay people. I am not kidding man, gay people are strange, kindof.</p>
<p>Are you serious? They can't take care of their dying partners, they don't have rights to their children, they can't legally commit to one another, they're called cruel names, spawns of Satan, evil, told they are sick, they're beaten because they hold hands with the person they love...</p>
<p>You are an idiot.</p>