<p>Ive been kicked out of both Cottage and TI (by student officers or at least people claiming to be officers) for dancing/making out with another male, he explained.</p>
<p>The message really becomes: We accept you for being gay, but just dont let me see you being gay, he said.</p>
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<p>This is the reason I opted to go to another Ivy. My friends told me no to even bother coming for princeton previews. It's not that princeton is anti-gay. It just follows a "don't ask don't tell" policy. And being in a tiny town with no city of other gay college students sucks.</p>
<p>Jeez! That stinks. Im not gay, but Im a strong and outspoken supports of the LGBT community. I am going to Princeton next year and I’m disappointed and shocked that this is the attitude some people have. I have to say, though, that Im sure a lot of students are liberal in many positions and if Im going to Princeton and I am very liberal, Im sure other students will be the same way and very accepting. Probably just legacies and conservative old money thats really unaccepting. I think you should visit! Ask the students.</p>
<p>OK, but TI and Cottage are not representative of the entirety of Princeton. There are a lot of gay people at Princeton. Ivy, Terrace, and Tower are all very gay-friendly clubs. I’m sure that at a football or lacrosse party at almost any other school if two men were making out, they’d be asked to leave as well.</p>
<p>Ehh yeah I did visit (overnight) and stayed with a friend last weekend, and liked the campus a lot. Just not the social scene I’m looking for. Though the academics are pretty awesome so who knows I might change my mind blah. Over half a month to decide = hoping epiphany hits.
But this article sort of trampled on a big issue of mine… I have friends at a couple of other ivies that I’ve stayed with who have never faced anything but complete and total comfort/acceptance.</p>
<p>@ The Government - Princeton is liberal. It may be more ‘conservative’ relative to other Ivy League schools, but the majority of the population (~58%) identifies itself as Democrats. And during the last election, about 3/4 of the student body supported Obama for President. </p>
<p>I think it is very unfortunate for that guy to be kicked out because of his sexual orientation. I, who identify as a liberal and a heterosexual who voices strong support for the LGBT community, personally believe it is ridiculous to be discriminated against because of being gay/lesbian/bisexual, and the student ‘officers’ to which the article refers are idiots.</p>
<p>But I believe this is not representative of the overall population of Princeton. I imagine there are many gay-friendly people and groups at the school.</p>
<p>We’ll see what Paul Krugman and all the other liberals have to say about this. Princeton is one of the last campuses that I would expect to display intolerance. “We’d like to see more students with pink hair.” I expect something to be done about this.</p>
<p>Simpson said the movement was sparked by conversations among several members of Princeton’s performing groups. He added that the purpose of PP8 is to extend conversation and debate about California Proposition 8 to the wider Princeton campus “in an assertive and thought-provoking way, without ever becoming unnecessarily aggressive or confrontational.”</p>
<p>"There are 4,000 plus colleges and universities in the country and only about 100 schools have full-time professional LGBT coordinators or directors. Princeton stands out among these schools with a director, administrative assistant, and graduate assistant. Our University administration is incredibly supportive on all levels. President Shirley M. Tilghman has shown unwavering support for the LGBT community. Each year, she participates in our annual Lavender Graduation ceremony and in the past has been a judge for the All-Ivy Drag Competition. LGBT students are consistently supported by campus administrators and faculty, who are among our wonderful allies.</p>
<p>Additionally, Princeton has a long history of supporting LGBT students, staff, and faculty. We were the second university in the country to add sexual orientation to the non-discrimination policy in 1985 (Read more about our history on campus). Princeton also added gender identity in 2006. In addition, the University offers domestic partner benefits for same-sex couples, LGBT-inclusive policies and procedures, and integrates LGBT issues campus wide. Examples of this are the inclusion of sexual orientation in documents and forms, such as the admission literature, health care forms, human resources materials and alumni publications."</p>
<p>If you are LGBT Princeton may, in fact, want you…but not just because you’re LGBT. Princeton wants you because you have something to contribute to the community and are anxious to take advantage of what Princeton offers. The previous poster has pointed out the strong record Princeton has in supporting LGBT students and in shaping people like Jared Polis '96 the first openly gay man to be elected to Congress. Here are my comments on the subject.</p>
<p>You’ll find intolerant people at any school you attend. Remember that we’re talking about many thousands of individuals on these campuses. Inevitably, some will have some maturing to do.</p>
<p>Finally, it bears repeating that individuals who post threads with provocative and demonstrably false statements like the OP always show up on the Princeton board at this time of year. As I’ve pointed out before, these individuals generally have no more than a handful of previous posts and are almost always regulars on other boards who are hiding behind a new screen name to try to discourage students from considering Princeton. It’s infantile behavior, but we’ve come to expect it. </p>
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<p>Lebby, if you are being genuine here, your friends have had a highly unusual experience. For anyone who is interested, simply use the online search feature with any of the Ivy League newspaper websites. At every school you’ll find articles discussing issues of intolerance on campus. Sadly, there is no heaven.</p>
<p>Look I’m almost certain that these actions were done by people pretending to be officers. I’m in a club where sometimes drunken members get ****ed off at someone and try to get the bouncers to remove them. Real officers would not do this because their asses are on the line if they were to be pinpointed for ejecting someone b/c of their sexual orientation.</p>
<p>And I’m not trying to condone this sort of behavior, but you need to read this with a proper understanding of Cottage and TI. Sports Illustrated once characterized Cottage as “Southern money” and TI as “Animal House”. People need to know what they’re walking into. These are clubs mostly full of varsity athletes, frat boys, and pretty sorority girls. This sort of environment, is, as Silver pointed out, is going to be present and not particularly LGBT-friendly at just about any D-I school. </p>
<p>I have gay friends on campus, and they mostly go to/join gay-friendly clubs (Silver is right in naming Ivy, Tower, and Terrace). And generally speaking, the average eating club is neutral towards gay people.</p>
<p>Thank god our eating clubs do that. I would be f-ing grossed out if I saw guys making out with each other. Sorry, but that’s just me being honest.</p>
<p>Hm. Straight people aren’t above gay people. Gay people are not second class citizens. Therefore, if a straight person wants to kick out a gay couple for kissing, a gay person should equally have the right to kick out a straight couple for kissing.</p>
<p>Please accept yourself as a hateful, bigoted homophobe if you disagree with the above statement.</p>
<p>I don’t particularly want to see overt sexuality, gay or straight. Shoving gayness in people’s face is as offensive has having someone shove their gross “guess which hoe I laid last night” antics. The phrase “get a room” applies. </p>
<p>If college is a preparation for adult life, then discretion, a key to adult success, has a place in college. On the job coworkers don’t want your sexual orientation shoved in their faces. No one is looking to deny you right to sexual orientation; folk are simply requesting mature discretion in the area of sexual display.</p>
<p>The homophobic sentiment is definitely a very MINOR part of the social scene on campus. I’m not gay, but I haven’t felt much homophobia, even around the street, although to be fair, I’ve been to TI precisely once, and did not love it. There’s also a letter to the editor that’s a branch off this article in the prince today.</p>
<p>Therefore, if a straight person wants to kick out a gay couple for kissing, a gay person should equally have the right to kick out a straight couple for kissing.</p>
<p>If a gay person owns the place, he or she has the right to allow or disallow anyone he or she chooses.</p>
<p>I’m with randombetch. Regardless of how one feels about homosexuality or homosexual relationships, the eating clubs are (totally?) private entities. So they have the power, so to speak.</p>
<p>Now, if I owned one, I would probably not allow any public PDA, but that’s just me. :p</p>
<p>Above comments simply highlight what I’m afraid of. You think they should have the right to allow straight couples to make out, but not gay ones?
Employers may own a private business, but they don’t ‘have the power’ to not employ black people because of their color, or engage in other discriminatory hiring.</p>
<p>You are correct, the government does not allow them to do that. But on the other hand, the article didn’t say they were kept out from the clubs based on being gay. ‘Peter’ himself stated that it was once he started dancing/making out with another guy. It’s a totally different scenario, and I can understand why he would get kicked out for that, and I feel the same way about straight couples.</p>
<p>Employers may own a private business, but they don’t ‘have the power’ to not employ black people because of their color, or engage in other discriminatory hiring.</p>
<p>That’s because there’s a law against that. Is there a law against discriminatory dismissal from private property? If not, then the owners should choose to allow and disallow whoever they want.</p>