<p>Who is the straight person who owns the eating club who has this power that you’re referring to? It’s certainly not the officers themselves. Unless you think the alum board has written up a specific thing saying “OH HEY NO GAY MAKING OUT,” it’s completely irrelevant who has whatever crappy dismissal power.</p>
<p>I have no problem with gay or straight PDA. As the posters around here have said, LOVE IS LOVE.</p>
<p>This is all a silly debate. As a senior at Princeton, I suggest that you look at the comments in the article and the letters to the editor in response. Many people in the LGBT community felt that the article portrayed them unfairly, relying on one anonymous source for all the information. I have been to TI and Cottage, and while they may not be gay-friendly places (people may look at you strangely if you make out with someone of the same sex), they certainly would not have officers kick you out for doing so. </p>
<p>The argument about this being OK is silly, as the eating clubs are partially financed by the university. Some eating clubs do not own the property they stand on, and so they must rely on university policy (though their club houses themselves are private). Moreover, the clubs are “owned” by a board of trustees. Knowing the trustees, they would never allow discrimination based on sexual orientation.</p>
<p>So, takeaway points:</p>
<p>1) This article is not credible, as stated by many in the LGBT community.
2) If “Peter” was kicked out, it was probably not by officers
3) I doubt that the clubs can draft policy to kick out people based on sexual orientation, as the university will drain all personal funding from the clubs and make life miserable for them
4) IF some drunk dude at Cottage (UCC) or TI kicked a couple making out, it is wrong but not that drastically different from environments in certain parts of other schools. Go to a Lacrosse or Football party where members are drunk and see how they react when you make out. Please don’t paint Princeton as being a universally bigoted school based on this one, mildly noncredible, article.</p>
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<p>Okay, so, indeed, A straight person who privately own a place can kick out a gay couple. That doesn’t give the right for ANY straight person in the establishment to kick out the couple JUST BECAUSE the owner is straight. It should be the owner’s decision alone. Being of the same sexual orientation as the owner doesn’t give them the right to control it.</p>
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<p>Right. That goes for me too. If the couple were kicked out for showing too much affection in public, then that’s alright. But if the couple were kicked out because they were openly gay (the SAME WAY others are openly straight) then, to me, that’s not alright.</p>
<p>I don’t think people realize how openly straight society is. When gay people do slight things that others do (like holding hands) there’s always the risk of being harrassed - be it verbally or physically.</p>
<p>I am gay and I live in a country where homosexuality is illegal. Of course, I’m not familiar with what the community is like in Princeton, but I can tell you from experience that being attacked because of who you are IS NOT COOL. On top of that, I have to hear others defend their prejudiced thinking and their discriminatory actions.</p>
<p>That doesn’t give the right for ANY straight person in the establishment to kick out the couple JUST BECAUSE the owner is straight.</p>
<p>If the owner isn’t there, then the people who were given authority over the property have the right to kick out anyone they want.</p>
<p>If someone starts throwing up in an eating club, you will get thrown out. Not really discrimination, just how to maximize the amount of fun people can have at eating clubs (if the eating club gets in trouble and gets closed for a month, that won’t be very good).</p>
<p>Likewise, if a gay couple is making others feel uncomfortable, then they should be kick the hell out. If they’re making out in a closet, I don’t see what the problem would be.</p>
<p>randombetch you are wrong.</p>
<p>^That was quite a convincing argument, but I’m still thinking it’s perfectly normal for the people in charge of a piece of property to kick out whoever they want.</p>
<p>My daughter is a language major and heavily involved in the arts and when I asked her about this article she was surprised. She is quite close friends with many openly gay people and they are interesting , accomplished people.Princeton to her has "very chill " people.She’s opted not to join an eating club but still hangs out at Terrace sometimes because her artsy friends like it. She assures me no one is ostracized there.</p>
<p>Maybe because Princeton is such a bucolic environment people start looking for reasons not to like it. For my kid it has been an amazing place because of the students it attracts and the quality of her professors.</p>
<p>For what it’s worth, here is a column in today’s NYT that purports to refer to a Princeton prof: <a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/19/opinion/19Rich.html?_r=1[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/19/opinion/19Rich.html?_r=1</a>. I know next to nothing about him or Princeton’s James Madison Program, but the column might be worth a read. (And, yes, my D’s at Yale. As best I can tell, that has little or nothing to do with my posting this.)</p>
<p>Princeton is not the Anscombe Society. Chill. It has the LGBT center too. I wish you luck with the fight against homophobia.</p>
<p>Check out the video one the front page of ‘the Prince’ about students protesting NOM. [The</a> Daily Princetonian](<a href=“http://www.dailyprincetonian.com%5DThe”>http://www.dailyprincetonian.com)
I actually like having professors like Robert George here. It makes things more interesting.</p>
<p>Why can’t kissing couples of both types take their business to a private room or dorm. It’s just shows lack of class and/or control to be kissing in public. Holding hands is OK, by the way.</p>
<p>^ We’re talking about making out at a party, not at some Anscombe Society soir</p>
<p>Everyone who says that Princeton is either conservative or not gay-friendly is being ridiculous. It has a great lgbt center (I’ve been there), and most people on campus I’ve talked to have been completely accepting and open-minded. Even the professors openly discuss gay and bi writers in literature courses all of the time. I hate these false rumors from people who haven’t even set foot on the Princeton University campus.</p>
<p>[Princeton</a> University gays speak out on acceptance](<a href=“http://www.gaypasg.org/gaypasg/PressClippings/2002/October%202002/Princeton%20University%20gays%20speak%20out%20on%20acceptance.htm]Princeton”>http://www.gaypasg.org/gaypasg/PressClippings/2002/October%202002/Princeton%20University%20gays%20speak%20out%20on%20acceptance.htm)</p>
<p>Gay people need to get over themselves. Just try to be normal plz.</p>
<p>Just “try to be normal”? How nice of you to imply that being gay is not normal as well as being inferior to being straight. Anti-gay sentiments aside, we’d be more than happy not to make such a big deal out of it if nobody else did…</p>
<p>Why is this thread re-opened with an article from 2002?</p>
<p>RyanMK, randombetch’s point may be that some gay people make a big deal out of themselves, thereby inviting hostility from “normies.”</p>
<p>I love the absurdly provocative thread title, by the way. OP should really go into publishing.</p>
<p>Well, if he was referring to gay individuals who believe they are superior to everyone else because of it, then sure. However, it definitely sounded like he was referring to the gay community as a whole. In that case, we won’t “get over ourselves” until everyone else does.</p>
<p>randombetch likes to take a controversial stance. I’m hoping he’ll moderate that as he grows up. On the other hand, Wall Street will probably just make it worse:).</p>