General Questions about Biotech Patent Lawyer

<p>I will be a junior undergrad next year at ucsd in the biotech major and I've recently become extremely interested in the possibility of being a biotech patent lawyer. Luckily, I managed to stumble upon this site and I hope I can have a few of my questions answered that weren't answered from reading the other patent posts.</p>

<p>What is the life of a patent lawyer like; more specifically a science/engineering field working patent lawyer? Should I expect lots of hard work in a firm, working solo, etc.? What personalities are suitable to be a patent lawyer? (Must one be outgoing? talkative? interests?) Also, what would I focus on going to law school with being a patent lawyer in mind besides passing the exam? Are there any top law schools specifically geared toward science related patent law?</p>

<p>How much influence does the scientific background compared to the law school matter? For example, let say I manage to get a masters in biotech (say at UCSD) and using that as the start, how much difference would it make to graduate from a decent top 50-25, top 25-10, or top 10 lawschool? Or a top5 lawschool graduate with a weaker biotech background? Masters first or straight law school?</p>

<p>How does the jobmarket look for a biotech patent lawyer in the future? Will it be extremely competive due to Ph.Ds switching over to try to become a lawyer? Or is this a relatively stable field where most make the supposed "6-figure" salary? (Money/Stability is not as important as compatibility/interest, but still a factor)</p>

<p>Finally, a more numbers question - 3.7 gpa, will probably end up with a 170+ LSAT score (don't mean to be overconfident, but i'll study hard); how well will my biotech patent lawyer hopes turn out? </p>

<p>Thanks for the help! I'll try to find some more information - this career path has really caught my eye.</p>

<p>g29w- thanks for reading the various other posts before posting your own questions. Here are some answers to these questions.</p>

<p>What's life like as a working patent attorney? Specifically it depends on where you are employed and how broad the scope of your work is defined.</p>

<p>Your primary work will be with the writing and prosecuting of patent applications. The latter term refers to the procedures of dealing with patent offices of various countries to obtain a patent. In the course of doing that you will work with scientist/inventors and with others at the compny or unoiversity, as well as dealing with patent examiners (government employees). You will be expectd to successfully deal with bureaucracies and with minute details of government regulations, as well as with the broad concepts of patent law, and with scientific concepts.</p>

<p>You could be working in a large, medium-sized or small law firm or even as a solo (preferably after you have some experence), at a large, medium-sized or small company, at a university or in a government agency such as the NIH. If you are working in a small company, chances are that you will be doing more coordinating of outside attorneys than doing all the work yourself. In addition, you may be the only attorney in the company so you may be asked to work on all sorts of other legal matters in addition to patents. You may like this; I did; some people don't.</p>

<p>You ought to be reasonably sociable in order to be able to work with a wide range of people, from inventors to company management if you are working in-house or with partners at a law firm. You do not have to be hugely outgoing, and your interests will matter to the extent that you may need to demonstrate a common interest with a partner or manager in oder to advance (for a great exaggeration, see the movie musical "How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying". What the heck, see it anyway).</p>

<p>School - if possible, go to the best law school that you can qualify for and can afford. However, for patent law, a good local or regional law school can be fine. Some law schools have specialized courses in patent law and related topics. Among top-rated law schools, for example, Georgetown and UC Berkeley. Wherever you go to school, it would be best to take one or a few courses in intellectual property - both so that you can see whether it interests you and so that you can demonstrate that interest to prospective employers. However, most of your learning will be on the job.</p>

<p>In biotech your scientific education will be as important as your law school. Go to a school with a good strong graduate program, and take a heavy dose of science courses. You'll need them. Today there are probably enough openings, but Ph.D.s have an advantage over Master's holders in competing for some of them. Besides, the better your grasp of science, the better you'll be able to deal with different types of biotechnology. Six-figure starting salaries are only the case in medium-sized or large firns and you can bet that if you are hired for one of those spots, you will earn that money!</p>

<p>Don't have any comments on qualifying for law school at this time; just earn those grades and do your best on the LSAT.</p>

<p>Thanks a lot for your response, dadofsam! I will definitely put forth my effort and hope for the best. My guess is you are a patent lawyer in the SF area?</p>

<p>Hmm, I get the feeling that you are suggesting that later on the number of avaliable spots for a biotech patent lawyer will steadily decline? This is in reference to the "Today there are still openings..." I had thought there was only around 23,000 registered patent attorneys total in the US (I forget where I found that number), but it seems pretty small compared to the demand for, especially since probably less than 1/4 of the 23,000 are biotech patent lawyers? (I don't know if this is true, i'm guessing)</p>

<p>Also due to the increased rate of advancements, specifically in biotech, wouldn't there be an increased demand for patent attorneys in the future? The point only bothers me because stopping at a masters compared to a Ph.D is a significant difference. I guess when I reach that point, I will have a clearer picture of what is neccessary.</p>

<p>This has sort of been asked before - what should I do with my time now? Presume if you had an extra year's worth almost of time in college that you can choose any classes you would like - which ones should I take to better prepare for this career path? </p>

<p>I'm thinking I should work on my public speaking skills, writing skills, and reading comprehension abilities as well as making sure I get good grades in my major. Any extracirc activities - firm intern (?), lab research (?) - or other helpful suggestions would greatly be appreciated! </p>

<p>Thanks.</p>

<p>g29w: yes, I am a patent attorney in the Sf area. However, my crystal ball only works a certain extent into the future. My comment "Today ..." was in response to your question about whether the field "will" get more competitive; there already are a number of Ph.D.s who have decided to make career changes.</p>

<p>The future - well, if funding for stem cell research picks up and the resaearch proves fruitful - plenty of opportunity. If not, well, the number of new biotech patent applications has been dropping slightly recently. But there will be a need for more. The possible problem is that ost biotech patent attorneys, as opposed to patent attorneys in other fields, are nowhere near retirement age.</p>

<p>Advice for graduate school? Well, remember that a Ph.D. represents four or five years solid work, at least, and that your resaearch must work out enough to support the thesis. A master's deree could be a good compromise. However, there are Ph.D.s available, and some people in the field have the idea that only a person with a Ph.D. can properly understand their technology and relate to their researchers. I have found this not to be true, but it is a strong perception, and most of the patent law firms are stocked with Ph.D.s in some field of biology/biotech/genetics. </p>

<p>Whatever graduate program you go into, be sure it is a well-regarded one, strong in science. </p>

<p>For the next year, all those ideas are good for then and for later. If you see a weakness in your chemistry or biochemistry curriculum, you might want to consider taking a course or two in that subject - or something in basic biochemical engineering.</p>

<p>Good luck with it all.</p>

<p>I was wondering if I could get a more detailed background? i.e. undergrad-grad degrees/law school/years working/firm you're working at? Do you enjoy the job? Lots of free time - or extremely busy? What made you want to be a patent lawyer? Things that gave you the most trouble? Most satifisying part about being a patent lawyer?</p>

<p>Actually, I was more worried that the graduate program I go to - hopefully I make it to the ones I want to - will be too heavily geared in the bio/biochem direction. From my understanding without a Ph.D, it is very hard to find a "good" job in that field and I presume the same goes for being a very good patent lawyer as well (at least on paper). I was thinking about learning some extra electrical engineering classes in order to bridge the gap between biotech/ee. (bioMems, biomicronano, etc). As I have read before on this board, and heard from others, it is not as neccesary to have a Ph.D in EE, but i don't quite understand how lawfirms recruit based on grad degrees. Will they make the difference between say a biotech vs a biomedical devices background? or are they categorized under the same heading? And I'm not quite sure how to guide my education toward a bio-ee combination, since I find UCSD bioeng program more focused on the bio based aspect. But the great thing is I am young and have time - the directions to go are plentiful!</p>

<p>I do not quite understand your ost comment - does that mean more jobs will be avaliable in the other science fields for patent lawyers? Also, another reason why I am hesitant of pursuing a Ph.D degree is I have heard that one should definitely have a lot of motivation and genuine interest in their research. I am not quite sure I will be so certain at this point; more likely if I do not end up pursuing a lawyer degree, I would go work a 1-2 years before jumping into a Ph.D. Does work experience matter? Another question is do you know of where I can get a broad look on different industry, keep up to date on the important events? Any specific biotech magazines/journals or patent lawyer magazines/journals?</p>

<p>Again, I appreciate your responses to my questions. I must admit I have quite a lot! :P I may be being too nitpicky on what exact field I should focus on - trying to catch the "wave" as they say, when I should just focus on what I'm interested in and what suits me. But it would just be a lot easier if I can find a field with a lot of potential in the future, while also finding something in the field that captures my interest. It seems so far I have not found anyone who is willing to take a stab at the possible fields to head toward, but I may just be looking in the wrong places. Thanks.</p>

<p>If you don't mind, I'm going to be general on personal background. I have been in the patent field for a good many years and have worked on inventions in pharmaceuticals, chemical engineering, nanotechnology, organic chemistry, inorganic chemistry, semiconductors, some biotech fields, and a few others. I have worked both in-house for companies and at law firms. Like many patent attorneys my original intention was to become a scientist but I switched to working with scientists and writing about science, where I am more suited than in carrying out research. </p>

<p>I have been quite busy for many years, except when the work has been slow for one reason or another. Companies in general, and law firms to a certain degree, tend to staff leanly nowadays, so that most everyone has more than enough to do.</p>

<p>You should select your field of study, as you said, in something that captures your interest. Then you might take courses in some other subjects to add knowledge that could be useful. There will be need for patent attorneys in all fields in the forseeable future, and it would be futile to try to predict specifically which field will require more. Besides that, there are already an unknowable number of people who are aiming at a career in patent law right now, so no-one knows how many potential patent lawyers will appear on the scene next year, in three years, in five years or in eight, or in what scientific field.</p>

<p>And as to "catching the wave", not really predictable. A few years ago there was a feeling that there would not be any hot oportunities for patent attorneys with degrees in mechanical engineering, although we'd always need some, since there would always be a need to patent machinery. Guess what? The current "hot" field in patent law is prosthetic and medical devices. Guess who at this time has the best training to understand and write patent applications on these (except for the very few with biomedical engineering degrees)? How many patent attorneys are needed in this field today? Depends on the employer. This year a given employer (law firm, company, university, government) might not need any; next year might need five. How do law firms, etc. recruit? Same way; based on current or expected need, just as in any other business. What will be "hot" when you graduate law school in four or five years? Sorry; crystal ball draws a blank.</p>

<p>You can expect, if you go into patent law, or into science itself, that the science will develop and that the nature and type of knowledge you will need to be effective will change. Just as one example, it would be have been an unlikely prediction that analytical chemists would have had to know as much about the proper functioning of their equipment, including programming it and repairing it, as they did about analytical chemistry, in order to be effective in their jobs, but that is how things developed.</p>

<p>Also, in working as a patent attorney, you may find yourself being asked (or told) to work in unfamiliar technology, and have to learn some basics about it in order to work at your place of employment , especially if it is a law firm. The more versatility you can show, the better. If you read some of the posts on careers in law, you'll see that many attorneys fell into their current specialty because they were given an assigment at a law firm in some field that other attorneys knew little about, or because there was no-one else available at the time. Yes, planning for a career does help, but serendipity functions in this world to a greater extent than some people will admit. My original science education only prepared me for a portion of the fields I have done patent work in; the rest I learned when I had to.</p>

<p>Without a Ph.D. degree, it is not impossible to find a "good" job as a patent attorney. For one thing, it depends on your notion of a "good " job. Some people aim at becoming partners in a large law firm. That may or may not be a "good" job for you, and even if it is, there are several ways to get there, only one of which is getting a job in a large law firm as an associate, which is where the most competition is (and also where there are a lot of exits after a couple of years due to the pressure and time requirements).</p>

<p>Finally, keeping up on the industry. First you have to pick the industry/industries; there are a lot of trade magazines. One way to learn is to join the student affiliate chapter of the professional organization in your field, and read that organization's magazines. Or check the website of one company that distrbutes many trade magaziones, <a href="http://www.tradepub.com%5B/url%5D"&gt;www.tradepub.com&lt;/a>. You'll see a list of publications, some of which you probably could find in your school's science library. There are magazines for patent attorneys as well, so check your local law library for some.</p>

<p>And that ought to be enough advice for one day.</p>

<p>I think I have a pretty good idea in my mind now. Thanks.</p>

<p>There's a lot more work that I need to do before I ask anymore questions. Actions speak much louder than words.</p>

<p>Hrm, my pops is a cornell graduate as well as I am and he does patent law. He absolutely hates it. He spends all his days writing briefs and goes crazy. However, he makes... $500,000/year (as he states... could be more or less) and is going to retire after I graduate from law school.</p>

<p>Knowing that Ph.D.'s could take up to 4-7 years, wouldn't it just be better to get two or more Master's degrees? I guess you could say that you shouldn't put all your eggs in the same basket? More Master's degrees offers you more flexibility right?</p>