<p>And that number is a fact in case any of the biased, insecure Duke alums on this board are interested.</p>
<p>"Georgetown has 30 full time analysts starting at Goldman Sachs this fall." HAHAHA!!!</p>
<p>Ahem - right, thats a complete lie or you were severely misinformed. Unless you are including operations, IT, internal finance, and internal management - which you must be. Otherwise, you must mean 3. </p>
<p>As probably the only person on this thread that has worked in bulge bracket investment banking, I'm putting down a GUARANTEE that Georgetown does not have 30 full time analysts at Goldman Sachs in the banking division. In fact, I bet they don't have three in banking, and I also bet they have ZERO in the S/T division. </p>
<p>Also, I'm not a Duke alumni, I'm a current Duke student who worked at GS/MS/LB/ML last summer (won't say which one) and is working in consulting (M/B/B) in the near future. I have worked on Wall Street for the past two summers, have multiple friends from Duke working at every top investment bank, and even have a resume book of my fellow summer analyst class.</p>
<p>I was at goldman sachs hq last week and the director of georgetown recruiting provided me as with that number. As for the distribution between divisions I don't know. I know that Georgetown is not as strong in sales and trading because of a less quantitative focus but for banking I would expect a large number.</p>
<p>thoughtprocess...</p>
<p>I'm quite familiar with wallstreetoasis, I've been visiting it before it was called wallstreetoasis... it has many threads saying how many Georgetown kids are at BBs</p>
<p>jct30... stop wasting space here, you offer nothing useful</p>
<p>I don't think any school has 30 kids in IBD, maybe Wharton at Citi (given they're so huge)...</p>
<p>Let me just re-eiterate one more time that thoughtprocess is giving his opinion (and so am I), but he is extremely biased that he has to come on the Georgetown board and try to diss Georgetown.</p>
<p>In an attempt to be unbiased, I want to say that you should choose the school that you feel most comfortable with, because at BOTH schools if you work hard, you can land IBD or Consulting jobs. It's not the schools that get you the jobs, they get you the interviews and you get the jobs yourself. You will be interviewed at BOTH schools for all BBs.</p>
<p>The</a> New York Times > Week in Review > Image > Collegiate Matchups: Predicting Student Choices</p>
<p>Georgetown and Duke cross-admits, 51% choose Georgetown, so basically the same. If Duke is superior to Georgetown, then why we get more cross-admits?</p>
<p>jct30, congrats on Duke, it's a great school and I'm sure you'll do well there, but honestly there's no need to overdo your sentiments on here.</p>
<p>sophomore12, the NYT study is the most flawed thing on this site, its been discussed a great deal about why its not true. No admissions dean has ever endorsed this study; however, reality is that most kids choose Duke over Georgetown. </p>
<p>"Duke enrolls between 75 and 90 percent of cross-admitted students from the third group of top competitors, which includes Cornell, Northwestern and Georgetown." - according to Dean Guttentag from Duke's admissions committee. Duke</a> still step below top schools - News</p>
<p>Also, its pretty frustrating that you keep saying that I'm just giving my "opinion" on investment banking and consulting. I ACTUALLY WORKED AT A BULGE BRACKET BANK - and am telling you that what I am saying is FACT! Not opinion! *I didn't spend 11 weeks working as a financial analyst at a bulge bracket bank in NYC in order to have someone who hasn't ever been in IB tell me their opinion is as valid as mine.
* </p>
<p>I have friends who have worked/are working at every bank, and the big schools that dominate Ibanks are Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Wharton, then comes Columbia, Dartmouth, Duke, and a few others. Georgetown is below them, and has a few kids get into BBs every year, but it is far from a core target and doesn't compare to Duke at all. You are giving inaccurate information to the OP, who wants real information to help him with his decision. </p>
<p>If you don't believe that Duke is much better than Georgetown on Wall Street, ask someone else who is in investment banking (aside from me). I'm sure you have at least one friend on campus who worked in the industry, talk to them about how many Duke kids they've worked with compared to Georgetown.</p>
<p>Trust me, ask anyone. Go to WSoasis and find any thread that talks about targets, and I'm sure Georgetown isn't even mentioned. Even ask Alexandre (a moderator) who has worked in investment banking as well. Get some real info about the industry. </p>
<p>Also, Duke > Georgetown in management consulting at well at McKinsey, Bain, and BCG (the three top ones).</p>
<p>Georgetown is a great school, but I have posted multiple times in response to the wildly inaccurate claims made on this thread about how it stacks up against Duke on Wall Street.</p>
<p>Also, stronger students in general choose Duke, and more are likely to be interested in banking/finance/business in the first place, which is why more banks recruit at Duke. </p>
<p>Georgetown SAT range: 1300 - 1490
Duke SAT range: 1340 - 1540</p>
<p>While a 40-50 point gap might not seem like a lot, the gap between Duke and Harvard or Princeton is only 20-30 points.</p>
<p>With the current financial cirsis, all these banks you guys are getting hyperventilated over may well go under ala Bears Stearns if the Fed does not (or worse yet cannot) keep feeding them liquidity.</p>
<p>Besides banking is just another form of commerce and in the grand scheme of things while the accumulation of money is fun and interesting, and even challenging and fulfilling, it is not as important compared to who influences the life and death decisions of national security and freedom and liberty. It is lot more important who sits in the Supreme Court conference room, behind the corner desk at the Pentagon, in the US Senate Chamber and in the Key Presidential and Royal Palaces of the world than who is or was Chairman of Citigroup (even though the guy was a Georgetown alumnus). SFS is lot closer to being a part of this more important world than Duke.</p>
<p>The guy who is probably getting the biggest chuckle from this board is David Addington, Vice President Cheney's Chief of staff who went to both SFS and Duke Law School.</p>
<p>Overall</p>
<p>Reading: 680-760
Math: 670-760</p>
<p>Georgetown total SAT range: 1340-1520</p>
<p>You got to drop the attitude, or you won't last long in banking...</p>
<p>Wow.
This entire thread reeks of insecurity.
First of all, thoughtprocess-- did you <em>really</em> work on Wall Street? I may have missed that part, if you mentioned it in one of your posts. Please reiterate that part. I don't really understand why you're trolling the Georgetown board in the first place... but no big. A lot of the facts stated by sophomore and my fellow georgetown students actually are correct. Just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean they are factually wrong. I'd like you to imagine, just for a second, the possibility that you didn't learn EVERY aspect of the financial industry during your 11 week stint over the summer. I know it's hard. Please don't yell at us on this board when you reach a conclusion from this train of thought.
Finally, to the OP:
I'm really sorry you had to sit through this. Both of your options are going to be amazing, and it all really boils down to the place where you think you'll have the best undergrad experience and the best opportunities for yourself. I can't tell you what works best for you-- the schools have many similarities and differences, but I can guarantee that you are going to have a great college career either way.</p>
<p>And you're the one who should stop being so bloody biased and give the OP BIASED opinion. You worked 11 weeks on Wall Street... so? now you're the authority when it comes to banking...?</p>
<p>Did you even get an offer to go back?</p>
<p>Just curious how well does Duke do when it comes to IB? "Superior" sounds cool though... Georgetown COMPARES to Duke easily...</p>
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<p>Did you even get an offer to go back?</p>
<p>Just curious how well does Duke do when it comes to IB? "Superior" sounds cool though... Georgetown COMPARES to Duke easily...
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<p>He's worked 11 more weeks on Wall Street than you have correct? So, I fail to understand here how his first-hand knowledge of UG school representations on The Street is anymore "biased" than your layman understanding of the matter. The fact that he's working at a top 3 consulting firm next RIGHT OUT OF UNDERGRAD indicates that he probably got offers at all the bulge-bracket IB firms.</p>
<p>Georgetown is at least one if not two notches lower than Duke when it comes to recruitment for the top i-banking/consulting/PE firms.</p>
<p>Here's a sample of some of Duke's undergraduate alumni in business:
Alan Schwartz-CEO Bear Stearns
John Mack-CEO Morgan Stanley(former CEO of Credit Suisse)
Steve Black-CEO JPMorgan Chase(Investment Banking unit)
Stephen Pagliuca-Bain Capital(Founder and Managing Director)
David Rubenstein-The Carlyle Group(Co-Founder and Managing Director)
Robert Steel-Goldman Sachs(former Vice Chairman)</p>
<p>We're not even talking about Duke Business School grads or alumni in mid-tier frims or boutique banks where there are even more Duke undergrad alums. Now, I tried to find a similar list of Georgetown undergraduate business alums but could find literally no alums who are current or recent CEOs/Board of Directors of bulge bracket IB/Consulting/PE firms and instead alumni who were mostly involved in the leadership positions of startup private banks/subsidiaries of the larger banks.</p>
<p>Here are some additional links that show the prowess of Duke in IB/consulting/PE:</p>
<p>2007</a> list of BB Summer Associate class by colleges | WallStreetOasis.com</p>
<p>Private</a> Equity Firms & Universities: What’s the Relationship? | BankersBall</p>
<p>Georgetown cannot even come CLOSE to comparing with Duke.</p>
<p>The reason I am adamant on discussing the Wall Street Gtown over Duke comment is because I attend Duke and worked at an investment bank, so I thought my perspective would clear up some of the misinformation on the thread.</p>
<p>I worked at one of the following firms: MS, GS, LB, ML, as a summer analyst in the IBD division in a large, active group (won't say which one, but one of the better groups at the firm I was at). I actually am not joining the firm full-time and am doing consulting instead (consulting was my first choice for summer 07 as well, but I didn't have much luck with their summer programs.) </p>
<p>Also, a full-time analyst class at GS in banking is probably around 150 people. Saying that Georgetown had 30 analysts, and was the third biggest, is completely absurd since it isn't a core target school - that is why I questioned the veracity of the statement (I know see that the poster didn't understand the figure he posted). </p>
<p>As a summer analyst, with literally dozens of friends also from Duke who also worked at investment banks (both my own and other ones), I had a lot of exposure to a lot of people in my year at other banks. I also had exposure to EVERY summer analyst in my class, including both banking and research, because we went through the same training and we had lots of social events together. I also had access to a firm summer analyst facebook. This is why I can tell you, without hesitation, that Georgetown is not a core target school, and indeed is not near Duke in terms of Wall Street placement. </p>
<p>While I agree that Wall Street, and banking in particular, is not the best place to be right now, I still have a first hand perspective of investment banking and that is why I decided to share my "opinion." That being said, Georgetown is a great school and certainly has more of a presence on Wall Street than a non-top 20 school. </p>
<p>Also, sophomore12 - the SAT ranges for Georgetown you listed are for ACCEPTED students, not ENROLLED students, which is why they are incorrect.</p>
<p>Again, I think this thread has went on a tangent and I apologize. </p>
<p>By the way, I highly recommend consulting as a stepping stone into public service and international affairs, which overlaps with a lot of the interests of students in Georgetown SFS.</p>
<p>I question whether or not you actually worked on wall street.
why don't you tell us about it again... this time in more detail?
We are all so interested. Was the firm you worked at one of the 'better ones'? Really? Tell us about it? Tell us more about the facebook group. Please. I'd love to hear it. I'd also like some more details about your social events that you had with literally EVERY summer analyst eva'. That sounds so cool! Tell us please. It would make us all so jealous of you. What are some core target schools? I don't get what they are. Please elaborate!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>theperfect10, constructive response. The only reason I've mentioned I worked at an investment bank is because sophomore12 specifically mentioned that 'he's pretty sure' Georgetown beats Duke on Wall Street. At Duke pretty much half of Econ majors do I-banking so it really isn't that out of the ordinary or cool or anything (since Duke is a target school). </p>
<p>And yes, my job was pretty sweet, thanks, though I'm not working again their next year because I'm too cool for Wall Street now.</p>
<p>Henry Paulson (Dartmouth), Treasury Secretary and Robert Kimmitt ( Georgetown Law 1977) Deputy Treasury Secretary could literally dispatch everyone on East Asia's list to the Poor House tomorrow, if the Treasury does not continue to execute the Fed's liquidity program.</p>
<p>That would not be good for anybody, Duke or Georgetown educated, but gives a lesson in what positions of real power and real significance are.</p>
<p>My two cents.</p>
<p>Again not 30 IBD analysts but 30 full time hires across the board which IS 3rd overall. Sorry for any confusion, but its still impressive regardless.</p>
<p>hahaha, yea theperfect10, after you mentioned the fact that thethoughtprocess couldnt help but gloat over the fact that he worked on wall street, he immediately started spewing off information about his time on wall street. very funny</p>
<p>i dont think the op is any closer to deciding between the two schools after listening to you two bickering over whos better. while arguments good, please try to keep this professional</p>
<p>I bet the OP ends up going to Dartmouth. See #37.</p>