<p>And to think that I used to get depressed when I read some of the stats posted here in CC! Atleast I know my grades are legit, and they're totally and absolutely mine.>></p>
<p>Happygolucky, You are so right. It is threads like this (which seem to pop up regularly here on CC) that make me suspicious of the stats that many post here. While some may believe that cheaters prosper, I believe that it is people like you who not only end up with a better education, but end up happier and more satisfied with life in the end. Best of luck to you - you deserve it!</p>
<p>didnt know everyone would be upset with that sentence. in my whole school, i have only met 2, or 3 people who are unusually honest. i am 100% sure the rest of us cheat, atleast copy hwk if that counts as one</p>
<p>"hey everyone, im new to this site, it's unfortuante to say that i was being caught cheating at my school. although my transcrpts were out before this incident happened, but i do get an F or D for the subject, i used to have a relatively good grades about 3.6 unweighted and 3.9 weighted, 6 aps and several awards. i was accepted to the one of the top 10 engineering schools, does anybody know anybody who had similiar experience? and what are the consequences in terms of college admissions?"</p>
<p>Okay, I have to ask--What happened and more importantly WHY? I think the consequences are pretty much that they can rescind your admissions.</p>
<p>cheating is a big no no everywhere. its unethically wrong, but we are all humans. if uva is not right for me, are u saying there are colleges that "praise" cheaters. btw, by cheating i have only copied hwk before, and i try to stay away from that practice as much as i can. and about the computer violations, i called uva itself and they said it wasnt a big deal. frankly, if u were in my place, u would have felt the same way about the suspension. but i cant do much about cheating, carolyn. if u have never cheated, i admire that.</p>
<p>Thanks Carolyn, I appreciate your words of encouragement! I'm slowly learning not to take some of these posts too seriously or personally. But sometimes its so hard not react. When someone makes a comment like the one I'm quoting below, I can't believe more students on these boards don't speak up. I hope starman was being sarcastic (I still have a hard time distinguishing the phony posts!). If he's serious -- I hope he realizes what a mistake he's making, before its too late.</p>
<p>"You guys are overreacting. Cheating is an estabilished part of my test taking now. You just have to do it right, and you won't get caught. Even if you do get caught, take it with a grain of salt, because in the end CHEATERS ALWAYS PROSPER
The nice guys always finish last....."</p>
<p>btw, if ur saying i should reconsider uva because of my attitudes??? well, let me say that uva is a school i am considering because of my attitudes. i dont care if u believe me, but heres why. my school is just competetive. that everyone feels the need to cheat. going to this school has made me the person i am. I see cheaters everywhere. I have seen the number 2 of our class cheat!!!! If UVA supposedly doesnt have any cheaters, then i definitely wanna go there now, because I want a fair environment to compete. u cant tell me to ignore cheatingwhen i see it all the time around me. there are a lot of ways to cheat, and i can tell u that i have never done the most extreme way.</p>
<p>Collegefear, this isn't the end of the world. You made a mistake and there might be consequences. But don't let one mistake define you. I would make an appointment every week to talk to your guidance counselor, to really drum into the administration that this was an isolated act borne of desperation and that you want to mitigate it. Don't let anyone convince you that you are something you are not. Every person on earth has made mistakes, if not cheating than some other type. Work hard in your class, take responsibility, don't make excuses and be contrite. This cannot be the first time anyone in your school was caught cheating. Ask how you can mitigate the incident. Ask (repeatedly) what you can do to make it less significant. Keep asking. Be an advocate for yourself. Here's a story that might help you. A friend of mine had a classmate in law school about 5 years ago. He overslept and missed an exam, an automatic F in a required course. He panicked, called the police and reported his car was stolen and made up some story about being carjacked or some stupid thing. He was found out, charged with filing a false police report and put on some sort of academic suspension or probation. Anyway, he went on to graduate (a semester late) and was admitted to the bar. Anyone worth half their weight in chicken fat recognizes an act borne of desperation and does not condemn someone because of it.</p>
<p>but I seem to remember some sort of a scandal at UVA when a professor there starting checking papers through turn-it-in.com and found out that a very high percentage of students were plagiarizing/cheating.
Does anyone remember this story? I believe it was on 60 Minutes.</p>
<p>I think everone is being a bit to coy on this post.
Cheating is absolutely wrong.........and it's done on a consistent basis at most major universities by a considerable portion of the student body. There are statistics out there on this but I don't have them.</p>
<p>This does not mitigate the cheating of any particular student, it just puts it in context.</p>
<p>can everyone not talk about UVA anymore.... u all make me nervous now. again, bottom line.. i'm just a student. i maynot be perfect. but i just wanna go to uva and make a fresh start</p>
<p>nbachris- "Oh c'mon now... Cheating on a test, quiz, or plagarizing an essay is serious, but copying homework? Those are small beans."</p>
<p>I agree with you nbachris. Lot's of teacher's give busywork as homework especially in AP/honors courses. It's as if they feel they have to live up to some AP standard so they just assign three times the work and it's useless work to boot. This type of homework is copied all the time at my school. Students are very liberal with the sharing, but people understand the importance of learning and will do the work themselves if they are falling behind. Also, plaigerism is HUGE. Completely different than simple 'copying'. I don't know anybody who wouldn't do their own writing.</p>
<p>When you get right down to it, no problems are caused for anyone when someone copies some busywork.</p>
<p>What it means is that your attitude about cheating is obviously that its "ok, because everyone else does it", and that UVA has strong convictions against cheating. Therefore, UVA may not be the place for someone who thinks cheating is acceptable.</p>
<p>I really don't understand your reasoning. If you think think your HS is so competetive that the only way you can succeed is by cheating, do you really think college is going to be less competetive? You will probably never consider any college a "fair environment" if you believe that cheating is a "fair" way to succeed. What is "fair" about cheating??</p>
<p>I'm really not trying to bash you -- just trying to make you see that there is a better way. You CAN ignore cheating, and you CAN choose not to cheat. So the #2 in your class cheats -- well, if you didn't, then that would make you a much better person than him/her. So you are both cheaters, what's your point? </p>
<p>As far as saying that your school has made you the person that you are -- that's a really lousy excuse. Think about what you are saying! You have free will to make your own choices.</p>
<p>crichessill,
the good thing about about these threads is that they make people think. You don't have to wait for UVA to make a fresh start. Tomorrow morning's even better.</p>
<p>::sighs:: i'm wasting my time here. i said uva is my ideal place since you all are claiming that theres not a single person who has ever cheated in his life at UVA. if thats the truth, yes, thats why i wanna go to UVA. i want to meet non cheaters.</p>
<p>but I seem to remember some sort of a scandal at UVA when a professor there starting checking papers through turn-it-in.com and found out that a very high percentage of students were plagiarizing/cheating.
Does anyone remember this story? I believe it was on 60 Minutes.</p>
<p>I think everone is being a bit to coy on this post.
Cheating is absolutely wrong.........and it's done on a consistent basis at most major universities by a considerable portion of the student body. There are statistics out there on this but I don't have them.</p>
<p>This does not mitigate the cheating of any particular student, it just puts it in context."</p>
<p>Woodwork,</p>
<p>I don't remember that, but I remember hearing something about that website. By the way, can someone tell me how to quote other posts so the quote is in the gray box?</p>
<p>This quote from the article below is worth thinking about:</p>
<p>You are in college of your own free will, so why would you not want to just do the work and get good grades on your own merit? wondered Pedram Keyani, a computer science graduate student, who acknowledged use of the MOSS program in certain computer science courses. </p>
<p>If you get a good job or into a good graduate school based on ill-deserved grades, everything from that point on is tainted, even if you never cheat again.</p>