<p>1MX, you are only half right. You can't make up EC's that will be a hook in itself. However, you can make up EC's that aren't that great and still get into HYPMS.</p>
<p>lying is simply the worst thing you can do in life.... don't do it.
...especially .... while risking all that... tsk tsk tsk</p>
<p>exactely jason, it really isn't worth saying that you did something that you know damn well you didn't. </p>
<p>Tell me this doesn't sound messed up.
Learning that you would've gotten into Yale if you had just accepted the fact that you did 3 extra curriculars rather than lying that you did 13. hmmm?</p>
<p>Lmfao... :p</p>
<p>This is similar to something someone said earlier, but I know a rising freshman at Stanford that explicitly lied on his application. He said that he created a non-profit organization and donated things to foreign countries. He never even made the organization. </p>
<p>I know this for a fact because when I was learning about charities to start up my own, he told me I didn't have to because "this worked for him."</p>
<p>His response ****ed me off >_> It was low.</p>
<p>optimization...did you take his advice before you found out he lied or after?</p>
<p>Here's a scary story you guys. This one guy I knew from school attended UCB. He lied about some ECs and research I think. During his second semester of freshman somehow they found out and they gave him a boot. </p>
<p>Now he's going to a CC. He must be proud!</p>
<p>Yeah lemme tell you another thing this guy did. He won the NOVICE Lincoln Douglass state debate tournament(which is basically JV) his freshman year, and he put on his application just "state champ, LD debate". And I don't know if you guys are familiar with debate but state LD champ is a pretty big deal.</p>
<p>Nah, I say killing is the worst thing you can do in your life. But I might be wrong. :) :) :)</p>
<p>to MstrLinks- maybe someone ratted him out possibly?</p>
<p>just think about it this way: would you actually risk spending countless hours studying, working, and preparing the last 18 years of your life to go to your dream school only to find out you've been rejected for lying about an EC that it took you 5 minutes to write down on the app? you've basically just negated all the actual work you DID do. It is NOT worth it.</p>
<p>I think most people would agree that it's not worth it. What do schools do about it though? It really ticks me off when these types of kids get in</p>
<p>It shouldn't tick you off.......Unless a cheating student takes the spot that you should've had
but..........
Ever heard of Karma? what goes around comes around.
what they do now, they may be laughing it off but its going to come back and bite them in the butte</p>
<p>IT depends what the person is lying about. If they claim that they are an Eagle Scout, a member of the NHS, or a school athlete, that stuff can easily be checked up on from basic websites, or simple phone calls. I think many colleges will choose an individual from honesty that they can see within one person. If a person is bombastic with awards, something could be up... but if the individual says.. I earned something this year, didn't earn this year cause I was busy, than earned it again this year, that looks pretty honest.</p>
<p>"but if the individual says.. I earned something this year, didn't earn this year cause I was busy, than earned it again this year, that looks pretty honest."</p>
<p>Mister Sinister. I think every skilled lyer will put it that way. I took psychology classes && thats how humans work. They'll put it in the modest of ways so they won't sound too flamboyant . wow...it sad. It shouldn't be that serious to want to go to a school that bad that you have to lie about stuff you didn't do. No school is worth your "Authenticity"</p>
<p>So Authentic - I didn't take his advice. I was having trouble understanding what I had to do to start a non-profit, and asked him if he could help. That's when he told me. I ended up just asking my mom for help on creating it.</p>
<p>It does tick me off. You said it should unless they take your spot. It's not even really about me (or CNI, I presume). It's the lack of justice. I wasn't applying to colleges when he was, but I know people who were. Either way, he gets the spot of someone else. Maybe it didn't even make a big difference anyways. Either way, I become upset at the person (not the institution) for lying.</p>
<p>yeah you got a point.^ well like i said, it'll come back to bite them. I can't imagine living in Harvard dorms knowing that I cheated my way into stepping foot in their campus. Guilt will overwhelm me!</p>
<p>Nothing against the university, but I'm sure that Harvard and other comparable schools are FULL of cheaters. Just look at last year's Fuqua Business school cheating scandal. I had a friend who went to duke, and he said a lot of those kids who were caught were harvard undergrads</p>
<p>^ I know a lot of people who went to Harvard who cheated on EVERYTHING. They were smart but lazy. They still managed to succeed though so it never came back around to them. One person like this that I know is buying a 2 million dollar house after working for 4 years. (I'd say that's pretty sweet)</p>
<p>can't imagine an adm guy being blown away by someone adding weight to his application by actually ATTACHING a copy of an eagle scout award. Every adm guy I've heard speak says the same thing... don't send ANYTHING they don't specifically ask for...no additional letters, poems, portfolios (unless cleared to do so)</p>