<p>The number of 1097 is the number of males who were admitted on R-Day. More appointments are given than accepted. They probably make 1500 appointments to get 1300 to R-Day. The "odds" are more like 77%.</p>
<p>I don't like to think of it in terms of "odds". Admissions is not a gamble or crap shoot. It is not a game of chance. It is simple merit. The admissions office scores each file from the pool of applicants who are qualified and nominated. The top scores are the winners.
Admissions will send out offers until the class is filled. Candidates are competing for appointments, whether or not an applicant wins an appointment is dependent on the competion relative to the strength of the file.</p>
<p>but since the candidate has no idea where he sits on the list-it is an 'odds' game to him. From looking at those numbers, the odds appear to be better than I thought they were. I have been advising him to mentally 'get over West Point" and decide which of the other colleges that accepted him he wants to go to. I may have been premature.</p>
<p>Seriously, West Point admissions isn't like other colleges where they tell everyone on April 1 and accept 3 off the waitlist.
They are mandated by Congress to fill the class. If someone turns down their appointment in a congressional district on May 1, they will go to the next name on the list.
Many kids find out after April 15th, some find out in June even. From what I have seen in years past - WP Admissions is pretty good in letting kids know in April if their package is strong enough to realistically get off the waitlist. Sometimes they then offer them an AOG scholarship and admittance into the next class.
Hopefully, your brother has a good back up plan but he should just relax for now.</p>
<p>I forget if I have asked this - has he made a candidate visit? If possible these are very helpful to both the candidate and admissions. He will have the opportunity to have a sit down with one of the admissions officers for a file review.</p>
<p>You might want to see what his wait list number is to get an idea of his status. If he has a low number, his "odds" would be better. If he has a high number, then not so much. If memory serves, a typical year might have 300 or so chosen from the wait list, but that varies from year to year.</p>
<p>You won't find out from Admissions what your ranking on the wait list is, and they most likely won't tell you how many are being considered for admission either. Majmattmason is right; the number varies from year to year and there's a lot of factors that determine how many they choose to pull off the list. Work with your local MALO to get your file in front of the Admissions board again; people may advise or tell you otherwise, but as long as your file is still open, you can always add to it. I would advise looking over your records and making sure that you didn't leave something out that would, at the very least, warrant some kind of attention paid to your file. While being pushy or annoying won't help your cause, being consistently persistent in pursuing your file's status with Admissions can pay off. At this stage, it's not time to sit and wait; confidence is a trait that works wonders in the military, and with Admissions it's no different. Call up your MALO, and he may even advise calling your regional director if the situation warrants, who is used to fielding calls from candidates quite often (my regional director knew me very well by the time I was offered appointment, to the point that after a while he no longer needed to pull my file to know what I was calling about!).</p>
<p>well, following advice given, he did query the regional commander about wait-list number, and just as american soldier stated above-he just talked in generalities: "can't give you a number as the NWL is more fluid and dynamic than you might think. Depends on fluctuations in your congressional district, state and other nominating pools that you are in. We appoint people well into May to fill the class. Have a good Plan B ready and remain hopeful for admission".</p>
<p>Didn't mean to steer you down a dead-end, which is why I didn't respond before now. We had a different experience with our third son and were told his wait list number when he was applying two years ago. Just shows that it is a "fluid and dynamic" system and what goes one year, might very well change two years down the road. Everything your RC said was good information and sometimes you can read between the lines, sometimes not. I know on R-Day in 2002, we saw a kid who had been notified a day or two before of acceptance. They had already made plans for another school, paid deposits, etc. and he decided he still wanted West Point. He was there, albeit, a bit in panic/shock. It does happen, but usually not quite that extreme.</p>
<p>To add a bit more, our third son had already received an appointment to USMMA, which is where he is now. He was waiting to hear from West Point, but never did. He had nominations to both academies.</p>
<p>I was in a similiar position last year, where I was placed on the NWL. In the end of april, I recieved the West Point Preparatory scholarship program and have obtained an appointment this year. (Although I have heard they are cutting down this coming year for the candidates who are admitted into this program) I recommend applying for ROTC schools for what regular colleges he wishes to attend. You can still apply for West Point again when you are in ROTC at college.</p>
<p>"I am 99.99999 percent certain that there is no guaranteed Army ROTC scholarship to those on the waiting list not accepted to West Point. No Way. No How."</p>
<p>I put this question to a ROTC contact in our area and he confirmed that such a program does exist. I am assuming that the candidate would need to have applied to, and have been accepted to the school concerned. It makes sense to me. If a candidate is fully qualified for USMA, he should be qualified for a ROTC scholarship.</p>
<p>"I would recommend applying for one (a ROTC scholarship) anyway. Should there be some reason that you are not fully qualified, you would not fit the criteria for FQNS. If you have already applied for the scholarship you will still be covered."</p>
<p>I was thinking that with 65-70% of those on the NWL eventually being offered appointments and most of the rest probably having also applied for ROTC scholarships, that the number of people who are FQNS and did not also apply for a ROTC scholarship is probably quite small-so you do not hear about it much. It is this waiting until April-May and even June until a final decision is made that is so tough. I told my brother just when he has finally given up and mentally moved on to another college-the appointment will come out of the blue.</p>
<p>MY son is also on the NWL. Many different opinions on this. How many are actually on the list, how many get appointments from the list etc. He has interviewed with ROTC and was told by the Lt Colonel that interviewed him that he sees no problem with him geting a ROTC scholarship. WE should hear by the middle of this month on that. My son really wants an appointment. His regional offficer per my son said it doesn't look good?? I told my son after reading all the postings on the subject to keep contacting the. he just was awarded student of the month at his high school. he has received that twice. What is hurting him is his SAT. Its just under 1200. He has an impressive Leadership and school resume. </p>
<p>My question is what about the Prep Schools. I would think if he did not get an appointment he would certainly accell there. </p>
<p>We haven't been to West Point but if he needs to go there and meet with admissions to show he is who they want he will do that!!! </p>
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then do it. he can schedule a candidate day visit. you can go to - they do a nice briefing and tour for parents.
After the visit he can sit down one on one with one of the RC's who will go over his file.
If your son is interested in an AOG Scholarship he should also make that known to his Regional Commander.</p>
<p>gtfd: A visit can only help you son, but go with realistic expectations. If the RC has already told your son that his chances are not good he has probably given him a realistic assessment of where he is on the NWL. If his file has been updated since then another call may be in order.
Good communication with the RC is very important - make sure that your son communicates his determination to attend USMA, his willingness to attend a prep school, and also his willingness to reapply next year if that is what he needs to do.
It sounds as if your son is doing all the right things - he is updating his file, and has a back-up plan. Enjoy your visit if you can do it.</p>
<p>Title X, U.S. Code specifies that West Point must admitted 150 from the National Waiting List as "Qualified Alternates" - those candidates who have Congressional nominations - and these appointments must in the order of their Whole Candidate Scores (strictly objective). </p>
<p>My brother was not selected to attend West Point off of the waiting list. He got his rejection letter two weeks ago. He was called this evening from ROTC out of Fort Monroe. He was just offered a 4 year ROTC scholarship to a school of his choice. He will receive a letter from ROTC within two weeks and he has 30 days to let them know his decision. So, if your are FQNS(full qualified for West Point and not selected), you are offered a 4-year ROTC scholarship to a school of your choice. Fort Monroe told him that 100 people are offered scholarships in this manner every year. My brother had not applied for a ROTC scholarship separately. So, it is true.</p>