<p>Thanks for fessing up.</p>
<p>I’ve head a lot about UNC, from these boards and from schools. I visited UNC this weekend for a special program. I talked to students, professors, and people from the admissions office and asked some questions about the school (specifically about the 60/40 ratio, the Greek scene, and OOS students). All of them echoed eadad’s words, and I learned that some of the issues people bring up on these boards are far from the truth.</p>
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This is right on. My tour guide was an OOS, and he said the exact same thing. Being OOS is really a non issue, no one knows and people really don’t care. All that matters is that you’re a Tar Heel.</p>
<p>I really had an issue with the female/male ratio, especially after reading [this</a> article](<a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/07/fashion/07campus.html]this”>http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/07/fashion/07campus.html) from the NYT. I asked people specifically about the 60/40 ratio and all of them said that it really doesn’t effect campus life much. Like eadad said, it is far worse at other places.(UNC-Greensboro has a ~70/30 ratio). The admissions person I talked to said that the ratio is about equal to the ratio in the applicant pool. The students I talked to said that it doesn’t hinder campus life at all, and that article that appeared in the [url=<a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/07/fashion/07campus.html]NYT[/url”>http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/07/fashion/07campus.html]NYT[/url</a>] [url=<a href=“http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20100303/COLUMNIST/100309892]was[/url”>http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20100303/COLUMNIST/100309892]was[/url</a>] [url=<a href=“http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7267111]completely[/url”>http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7267111]completely[/url</a>] [url=<a href=“http://www.dailytarheel.com/content/article-campus-dating-draws-criticism-unc-students]hyperbolic[/url”>http://www.dailytarheel.com/content/article-campus-dating-draws-criticism-unc-students]hyperbolic[/url</a>]. Sure, some women chose to act foolishly and participate in risqu</p>
<p>I’m glad that you met people who felt that way, Harambee. Though – beware that the people you meet through the admissions office etc may not be the most representative sample.</p>
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<p>you should bear in mind that this may not be due to sorority/frat people being a small part of campus, but due to segregation. Something like 15% of undergraduates go Greek – almost 1 out of 6. </p>
<p>So to claim that they are a tiny part of life is a bit misleading – more accurate may be just that Greeks and non-Greeks don’t mix that much (and the sorts of people who get involved with prospective student events are likely to be non-Greek).</p>
<p>It is of course true that only a small proportion of women and men at UNC will agree with what was said in the NYT articles – but for many girls, some dissatisfaction with the ratio here is common, and to pretend otherwise does noone any favours.</p>
<p>Admissions ambassadors at UNC are actually fairly heavily Greek… And by fairly heavily I’d be willing to bet the proportion of Greeks in Admissions Ambassadors is greater than the proportion of Greeks at Carolina. </p>
<p>And I would definitely not say the Greek scene is so small because it is segregated. In fact I’d say the opposite. It seems so small because it is well integrated in the campus. Being Greek does not have to define your experience at Carolina, which is something different from most campuses.</p>
<p>As far as what I’m basing my observations off of, I am currently an Admissions Ambassador, and some of my closest friends are members of fraternities like Chi Psi and sororities like Kappa Delta.</p>
<p>Right, but if Harambee is right that</p>
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<p>then she clearly didn’t meet a very representative sample, did she?</p>
<p>The most important thing to remember about Greek life:</p>
<p>If you want it to, it can be your life. You can socialize exclusively with Greeks and will have no problem doing so.</p>
<p>If you don’t want to go Greek, you don’t ever have to go to a fraternity party, and you can still socialize with the 80-something percent of independents on campus.</p>
<p>There are limitations to how representative of a sample you can have at these kinds of events. Explore Carolina has a tour, an info session for potential majors/careers/professional schools, and then a larger info session for how to get in. Potential students will talk to somewhere between 3-6 current students at those events, along with whoever they decide to talk to on campus. This weekend it was probably more like 3, since it is at the end of the semester, and everyone is really busy with tests, studying, and projects.</p>
<p>If you’ve ever done anything related to statistics, meeting three students, and not having 1 of them be greek, you would know that that isn’t too out of the realm of possibility.</p>
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<p>Haha nice condescension there, but of course Harambee claimed to have met ‘a fairly large sample of students’ … 3 to 6 people from a large university is a ‘fairly large sample’?</p>
<p>I think Old Well summed it up Greek Life at UNC the best. There is also the happy medium where you can be Greek and still be involved with many people outside of the Greek circle.</p>
<p>As far as how many people Harambee met, what do you expect me to say? I have no idea how many people he or she met, just speculation on my part, and an explanation for how he/she might not have met anyone involved with Greek life. </p>
<p>Keetittoyourself, I feel like you really aren’t really contributing very helpful information to this board. You make these broad generalizations, like Greeks self-segregating themselves on campus based on “years of experience” but you never really give anything to back that up with. It really just feels like you are ■■■■■■■■ and hoping to get into a flame war.</p>
<p>I didn’t meet 3-6 people, and the event I was in wasn’t called Explore Carolina. I guess I shouldn’t have said that I met a “fairly large sample” of students. I met and talked to around thirty people during my day at UNC, including a few students there that I know well. That said, just because I didn’t meet anyone who was Greek doesn’t mean that I’m naive enough to think that there aren’t people at UNC who are involved with the Greek Life. From what I found out, those involved in the Greek scene comprise a small part of campus and not being involved in it doesn’t hinder your social life like it might at a place like Duke. </p>
<p>Like packerfan89 said, OldWell summed things up nicely. I think we can put this issue to rest.</p>
<p>packerfan picked up something I shouldn’t have left out–the happy medium between Greek/non-Greek definitely exists and is probably most common.</p>
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<p>Oh no he’s on to me! This bird’s gonna fly.</p>
<p>Today, I talked to a family friend who graduated from UNC 2 years ago, and she echoed everything oldwell, eadad, packerfan, and other people have been saying. UNC is a place where you don’t feel pressured to get involved in anything, be it greek life, organizations, or sports. You pick what you truly want and still feel accepted as part of the community.</p>
<p>Also, she brought up a very good point about the ratio- as someone who dated 5+ guys and found her current husband at UNC, she said that while it’s true some guys may be a bit lazy about asking girls out sometimes because they seem to have more options, it’s not noticeable. Not everyone is paired off at the same time, and it’s not like everyone sticks with the same person all 4 years, so that 20%+ of “left out” girls isn’t always the same 20%+ “left out” girls. It may be obvious but I didn’t really look at it that way until now haha.</p>
<p>So yeah, thanks to everyone who contributed! Though there’s obviously disagreements, it seems to me like there’s a universal understanding UNC is great place to be, and that’s all that matters :)</p>
<p>Geez, I just looked at this thread to try and get some information about ways to meet people. I had no idea that I was walking into some huge (pointless debate). I see both sides of the story. My thing is, I’m not going to college for a flipping social scene, I’m going for an education! If the things that either party is stating are making you seriously consider not attending UNC, you need to take a step back. If the only reason you want to go to college is to meet a possible mate, get laid, or party… you are wasting your money. If that’s what you want to do, just move to a big city. I’m sure it would be much cheaper and allow students that actually want to learn to get a spot at UNC.</p>
<p>Hibiscusic, I hope you realize as well that an education, specifically a college education, does not consist only of classes; a college education is about learning how to be a well-rounded adult in a professional world. Meeting people and learning how to interact is essential to the college experience. Why don’t you let people who actually want to learn in this way and not sit in their dorm studying all day get a spot at UNC? Because this wealth of opportunities outside the classroom, both social and intellectual, is what UNC is really about.</p>