Going to a conservative college=disadvantage

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<p>Coffee,</p>

<p>My son was in your position a year ago, although he is not Catholic. He applied and was accepted at Grove City and Hillsdale. He considered but did not apply to Liberty or Wheaton. As austindave says, it was a question of how comfortable he felt at these schools. GCC & HC have excellent job and grad school placement rates. The elections over the past 16 years show that in America liberals and conservatives exist in roughly equal numbers. That’s the real world, not the domain of rose-colored-glasses academies where we are reduced to talking about a few dozen conservative schools out of the hundreds of colleges across America. The real world is far more receptive to conservative students and individuals than the typical college campus, and graduating from a conservative college does not limit employment opportunities. I suppose there are some hiring managers that might be put off from interviewing or hiring a grad because they graduated from Liberty or Hillsdale, but would you really want to work for that individual anyway?</p>

<p>Good luck with your college search.</p>

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<p>dave-</p>

<p>res ipsa loquitor.</p>

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<p>I’ve ignored your argument not because you presented facts that differed from some pre-concieved worldview of mine (I don’t have one), but because you compared apples to oranges - past radicals to present day conservatives, Catholics, and Christians. CoffeeAddict answered you well enough.</p>

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<p>Swish-</p>

<p>Stop trying, he just doesnt get it.</p>

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<p>Abolitionists? Not so fast. The leading abolitionists were nearly all clergymen and other evangelical Christians who had decided that slavery was wrong partly because the Africans were also made in God’s image. Beyond a few rare exeptions, secular humanists for most part did not lift a finger to free the slaves.</p>

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<p>I second that coureur. That is soooo not true…Abe Lincoln was the 1st republican pres. and he advocated the abolishment of slavery! Anyways, like I said, being conservative w/ today’s issues does not guarantee that that same person would have been a conservative in other time periods w/ other issues. Most people of today would all advocate the freedom of slaves, rights of women to vote, and so on, regardless of their political views. Conservatives see those oppressions as morally wrong just as much as liberals do!</p>

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<p>Also Swish, in regards to rights of workers, I would have been pro-union all the way back during times such as the Great Depression b/c they were necessary for the workers to have any rights whatsoever such as minimum wage, but today I don’t like the fact that a person HAS to join a union for certain jobs even if they don’t want to (as many of my family members have had to relunctantly) and how some of the aspects of unions are just plain stupid today. For example, one union that a relative of mine works for helps set things up for shows and presentations…and when one guy (not a worker) was trying to set up his area, he wasn’t allowed to plug in his own lamp b/c the union workers had to do it and get paid $75 per lamp!!! How stupid and what a waste! I’m sorry, but unions of today are not what they were back then. Because of them, people get paid insane amounts of money to plug in lamps and the other guys have no say in it and the union members must all be hired to do it. Because of them, there MUST be a fireman (not the kind that rescues people from burning houses, the kind that shovels coal in the steam locomotives) yet there arent any steam locomotives anymore! This person literally gets paid to sit in the back of a train doing nothing!..that’s liberalism at its finest! Again, I would have been all for the firemen back in the old days, but why would I be for them and there protected job now, it is pointless. Likewise, I support the liberal view on unions back during the Depression and such, but now disagree with a lot of the apparent flaws that unions possess.</p>

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<p>Swish,
Hate to break it to you, but our founding fathers were highly religious. why don’t you go do some homework and go find out where the supposid “separation of church and state” came from. I’ll give you a hint…wasn’t from the 1700’s, or even the 1800’s and it just ain’t in the constitution.</p>

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<p>^^
Deism, much? And “separation of church and state” IS in the Constitution. Anyway, that actually has little to do with the debate. Our founding fathers, like any reputable historian would contend, were the liberals, and some even radicals, of their day. Anyway, if I were an employer and I saw a resume with a degree from Hillsdale or Liberty I’d almost certainly throw it away. My notions of those people are that they are close-minded and almost violently conservative. And I know I’m not the only one who shares those beliefs. While people say you probably wouldn’t want to work for an employer who would disparage a religious school in favor of a more liberal school, might I add that most of those employers probably offer a more competitive salary than those that would take you on?</p>

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<p>I know what you mean cervantes, but I disagree that people who go to Hillsdale are closeminded any more than those who go to a notoriously liberal school. Many have already made up their minds about their conservative beliefs through questioning, debates. etc and have understood the liberal side to every argument..but they choose to go to Hillsdale to avoid the closeminded liberal students and moreso profs. at BIG STATE U or whatever rather than to be closeminded themselves…they want to go somewhere where they will not be looked down upon for their beliefs, which occurs so often at other schools.</p>

<p>For example. at Marquette U, there was a professor (Ms. Snow) who epitomizes why students choose a more conservative school to avoid closemindedness rather than to participate in it:</p>

<p>[Marquette</a> Warrior: Crime and Race in Marquette Philosophy Class: Student Defends Cops, Forced to ?Apologize?](<a href=“http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2008/04/crime-and-race-in-marquette-philosophy.html]Marquette”>Marquette Warrior: Crime and Race in Marquette Philosophy Class: Student Defends Cops, Forced to “Apologize”)</p>

<p>I don’t get why conservatives are considered closedminded but liberals aren’t. Liberals aren’t tolerant of consv. views just as much if not more so as conservatives aren’t tolerant of liberal views. Liberals claim they are more tolerant, but only towards those they agree with??? PETA is another example. While I don’t like fur coats or anything, when they say they are a tolerant, peaceful group, yet go in the streets dumping paint on random women’s fur coats, that is uncalled for. Even though they disagree w/ those women, they cannot destroy their property. They instead should protest peacefully to get their message out, just as Martin Luther King, Ghandi, Emerson, and Thoreau all did…just read “Civil Disobedience” and you’ll understand…PETA is not at all tolerant, and as of now it is not illegal to wear fur, so while they can protest all they want, don’t use any violence or violate the rights of those women who wear fur…and while I don’t always like the idea of animals being made into fur items…the minks and such that they use are BRED, and the sole purpose of their being born was to become a coat..its not as if they people go out to catch wild mink…the only reason those lives were created in the 1st place was for their fur…same w/ chickens being raised and killed so humans can eat them…its all the same…</p>

<p>Cervantes, you also said “Our founding fathers, like any reputable historian would contend, were the liberals, and some even radicals, of their day.” That is what we were trying to say. The founding fathers were more liberal, and we as conservatives of today would have held those same liberal positions as them back then, but over time situations and societies change, as do views on current situations, so those same founding fathers may very well have been conservatives today, just as I would have changed from more liberal to conservative…</p>

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<p>I don’t disagree with much of what you’ve said. The only thing is, the spokespeople for Conservative ideology tend to portray close mindedness and hatred while Liberals project a better image. The reason Liberals claim they are open-minded is because Liberal philosophy more or less=reform, change. Liberals are considered tolerant because they spearheaded the Civil Rights movement of the 60’s, embracing all races while the Conservatives as a whole did little to support, or in fact tried to prevent it. What is really interesting was a post somewhere else in this thread where someone said that it was the religious figures who were the first abolitionists. The thing is, religion is not fundamentally Conservative or fundamentally Liberal. It is all in the context of the time period. Then, religion was being employed to do something liberal, freeing slaves. Today, religion is used to maintain the status quo. Liberals may be considered the tolerant people today, but may not be years from now. As for liberals are not tolerant of people with different views than them, I really can’t debate that but to say conservatives are just as intolerant. (Funny, eh?) Another interesting thing you said is that you wouldn’t have been conservative back then. But you wouldn’t be you back then, now would you? That’s the whole problem with the classification of liberal or conservative. But back to your question, those who represent what Conservatives stand for today are not going to be very appealing to your largely liberal employers (if you enter a professional field). If you are academically strong enough go to ND or Gtown.</p>

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<p>Cavantes…
Please show me where the constitution stipulates a separation of church and state. I will give you 100 dollars if you can. It ain’t there.</p>

<p>Oh and please don’t use this as the basis of your argument because there is no mention of a separation of church and state here..</p>

<p>“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a”</p>

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<p>“Liberals are considered tolerant”</p>

<p>that would be only when you agree with them. Ugh, youth…</p>

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<p>"Article Six of the United States Constitution provides that “no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States”. and of course, the first amendment, and if you need more, the primary author of the Constitution himself, good old TJ wrote, in 1802 to the Danbury Baptists, in which he referred to the First Amendment of the United States Constitution as creating a “wall of separation” between church and state. Even if it does not say there verbatim, there’s something called critical reading, which TJ and I can do very well.</p>

<p>And as they say, the youth is our future.</p>

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<p>The phrase “separation of church and state” became a definitive part of Establishment Clause jurisprudence in Everson v. Board of Education, 330 U.S. 1 (1947), a case which dealt with a state law that allowed the use of government funds for transportation to religious schools. While the ruling upheld the state law allowing taxpayer funding of transportation to religious schools as constitutional, Everson was also the first case to hold the Establishment Clause applicable to the state legislatures as well as Congress, based upon the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.</p>

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<p>The phrase isn’t in the Constitution, but the concept undeniably is. Which again, has nothing to do with this thread. You can consider liberals to be intolerant, and I can consider conservatives to be intolerant.</p>

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<p>This thread is disgusting. I cannot believe the incredibly ignorance present here; I thought that CCers were supposed to be at least somewhat intelligent.</p>

<p>There is rigidity of thought in every institution. No particular viewpoint is inherently more close-minded than others; it depends entirely on the person. I have met some of the most ardent communists and the most tolerant Bible-thumpers. You can’t say that conservatives are more intolerant because they don’t listen to new ideas. They do. They may just not agree with them. I personally am conservative, but am about the only person in one of the most liberal schools in the nation. So I know what it’s like to be exposed to institutionally-supported liberalism inculcated into the minds of uncritical high schoolers. There are similar institutions that are very conservative as well. College is the same way.</p>

<p>For all you saying that conservatives are more dumb is just stupid. Perhaps more uneducated people are conservative, but please don’t try to reverse the direction and state causality or anything of the sort. The smartest conservatives are just as intelligent at the smartest liberals. Pundits such as Kristol and other neoconservatives started off as New York academics and members of think-tanks.</p>

<p>P.S.: Republicans in Congress actually supported civil rights more than Democrats based on percentages. Look it up.</p>

<p>On to the original question, I honestly don’t think so. Attend the school that will help you realize your academic potential in the best possible way. Some employers may not like the fact that you attended a conservative university, but THOSE people are the close-minded ones who make judgments based on preconceived notions (ironically, many idiots in this thread share their view). There are tons of neutral and right-leaning publications that will almost certainly not share their views. And, not all liberal journals/newspapers/what have you will either. Graduate schools won’t care about political leaning of the undergraduate school at all, compared to GPA and such.</p>

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<p>I’m sure insulting people on this thread is the correct way to display how tolerant conservatives are.</p>

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<p>Oh and Liberal is not equal to Democrat and Conservative is not equal to Republican. At least not always. I would think a highly intelligent individual like yourself would understand that.</p>

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<p>Academics and conservatism don’t go well together. </p>

<p>Rubbish!!!</p>

<p>I agree!!!</p>