Going to College Overseas

Hello!

Okay, so I am currently elbow deep in my college search process. I am bilingual and a dual citizen (France + USA). I’ve lived in the US all my life, but have taken a few trips to Europe and loved it every time. I truly and honestly feel at home when I am in Europe.I thrive off of being exposed to different cultures and I find that I’m being starved in my current environment. I go to a private Catholic all-girls school and I find my classmates to be very close-mind and I feel that their influence is bringing me down.

I’ve being weighing the possibility of going to college overseas, possibly Italy. I really like John Cabot University and a few others. But I guess my question is, is this the right decision?
Many colleges in Europe finish in three years, it’s MUCH cheaper, the degree counts here and there, etc… My family is fine with me going overseas, but I still have few reservations. I guess I just want to know how making a decision like that will change my life?

Thank you.

Have you considered going to college in Quebec? It feels very European, but is closer to home. McGill and Concordia are English universities in the heart of Montreal. Or, since you’re bilingual, you dont have to limit yourself, as there are several good French universities in Quebec. French citizens pay Canadian tuition rates at Quebec universities, if I understand correctly.

@ShrimpBurrito Thank you very much for your suggestion. I will explore my college options in Canada, but I must admit that I don’t feel like I’m home when I’m there as a I do when I’m in Europe.

I agree with Shrimp…Canadian colleges would be great for you…In addition to the several fine universities in Montreal, check out Laval in Quebec City. Also, check out bilingual u of Ottawa and bilingual Glendon College in Toronto. U of Toronto is very diverse and has people from all over the world.

Another option is to go to college in a more urban environement in the US and then do a semester abroad.

Check out the UK subforum of the “International Students” forum to find out about uni in the UK.

Do you know what you want to study yet? Because most European unis are very inflexible. If you start down a program and decide that you actually want to major in something else, you usually have to drop out, apply for another program and start anew.

Most North American unis and colleges are much more flexible, at least in the first year or two.

@PurpleTitan Communications and Political Science. And thank you for the information, I wasn’t aware of the inflexibility.

If you have dual citizenship, you can go to college in Europe for so much cheaper than in the US, with the exception of English universities which have raised tuition significantly. Unless money is not an issue for your family, you should consider European universities. If you are sure of your choice of major, than you could enroll in ones that have you select your track/major from day 1. If you’re not sure of your major, check out the liberal arts programs at the numerous University Colleges in the Netherlands (all instruction in English), and at University College Frieburg (also in English).

Most European universities offer a very different “experience.” The students often live at home; the college sports scene, in the American sense, is nonexistent; the onus is on the students to organize their own social lives, there is little counseling, few services are offered, often there isn’t much of a campus either.

None of that means that college in Europe isn’t “fun.” But it IS much more geared to independent, self-reliant students who know what they want to study and can do so with minimal support.

The schools that do offer a more American-style “experience” tend to be much more expensive, and more international, than the average university attended by most Europeans.

Check out the William & Mary/St. Andrews 2+2 joint degree, joint diploma program. A really unique opportunity for the right student.

Thanks for pointing out the Dutch university colleges, @Bigmacattack. They seem like a great option for someone who wants to study in Europe but likes the flexibility, broad liberal arts education, and low student/faculty ratio that many American colleges provide (but that most European unis don’t).

As a French citizen, you’re entitled to a free education at IUT’s (if you’re a strong B student) and BTS (if you’re a 2.8-3.2 student). Your program of studies is fixed, no electives, but you study a variety of subjects which you can read about when you choose the programs. Those are commuter only but being in a group that is together 18-24 hours a week helps create bonds. All you have to pay is room&board plus about $100 in books; if you live in a smaller town rent is rather cheap - that would cost you $5,000-7,000 a year all inclusive depending on where you live. Note that some IUT programs are highly competitive. After 2 years you transition to a “licence professionnelle” which is similar to the concentration/specialization year for a BS degree. Examples:
http://www.u-bordeaux.fr/formation/PRELPVIN0_209/licence-professionnelle-commercialisation-des-produits-des-filieres-vitivinicole-et-agrodistribution
http://www.iut-orsay.u-psud.fr/fr/formations/licences_professionnelles/info_lp_srsi.html
https://iut-angouleme.univ-poitiers.fr/
Those programs also offer a bit more support than typical programs, in that you know your professors and they know you by name, they help you get an internship, etc. They are far, far preferable to the public universities which are sink/swim, with no syllabi (or syllabi that mean nothing, ie., a test planned for a day is actually on another day, the class doesn’t cover the scheduled material), things break and aren’t replaced, etc. You’ll be expected to know all the formats that professors want. Being able to write cursive neatly is important. (preferably with erasable-blue ink and a fountain pen, which are sold in dozens of types depending on your agility with it, from 1st grader starter pen to calligraphy master… but it’s no longer mandatory); typing your work is “not done” or can be seen negatively.

If you’re an A student, you can access various colleges that are cheaper than in the US but not as decrepit and lousy as your typical French university (type “Ruines d’université” to see what I mean.)
The most famous, and most selective, is Sciences Po Reims (and its twin, the Dual Program with Columbia). All the Sciences Po colleges are highly selective and focus on one area of the world: the Mediterranean in Menton, China and Japan in le Havre, South America and Spain in Poitiers… You essentially study economics and political science. Expect to pay 12K for tuition.
For STEM students, there’s the international track at INSA (National Institute of Applied Science) in Lyon. It’s VERY hard to get into but it’s tuition-free for all students who are admitted.
For students interested in business, there’s ESSEC BBA program, which is more expensive (11K tuition + R/B). There’s also Skema, GEM, Euromed…
All of these, unlike the IUT/BTS programs and typical universities, have a campus and are not commuter.

If you’ve never lived in France, you may want to start in a Terminale of your choice. The classes are fixed (L if you want to study Art History&arts, or three or four foreign languages + philosophy + history; S if you want to review calculus, chemistry, physics, probability, programming; ES if you want to study history, geography, economics, sociology; ST2S if you want to spend most of your week in biology, pathology, anatomy, physiology, chemistry classes, and aren’t really into “core” subjects…) It’d help you make friends and understand what French teachers/professors expect - writing proofs in calculus, the “dissertation philosophique” model, etc. It’s very very different from the American writing formats.

Actually, @MYOS1634, as a French citizen, is McGill tuition-free?

No, French citizens pay the Canadian tuition rate in Quebec. Their universities are not free for anyone.

No, it’s CAN$6,800 so about $4,000 a year. McDonald Campus is really nice and less difficult to get into + more personable than “central Montreal” campus.

Im pretty sure just being a citizen (passport holder) of a European Union country isn’t automatically enough to get u the local tuition price…i think it’s often necessary to be a tax-paying resident for a year or 2. Am i wrong?

From the McGill website:
https://www.mcgill.ca/legaldocuments/exemption/france

Citizens of France
An agreement between the French and Quebec governments allows French citizens registered in a degree program to be exempted from the international tuition fee supplement.

Fee rates for French citizens according to program of study:

Newly-admitted undergraduate students will be charged at the Canadian rate of tuition.

Yep, for EU rates, I believe you have to reside in the EU, not just be a citizen, but even the international rates for the Dutch university colleges seem pretty cheap and most Germany unis are free or close to it.

wrt question in #15: Not in France, Germany, Austria, at least.

Quebec has a specific provision allowing French citizens, not other EU citizens, to pay the low Canadian tuition rate.