<p>lethargytm, a pre nup could be contested with a false accusation of domestic violence or rape which most women these days will use to their advnatge (99% of western women are this evil and vindictive).</p>
<p>collegehopeful78--please go into a specialty in medicine where you aren't permitted to treat female patients---your view of women is too mysogynistic</p>
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<p>Hey, I never said that all premeds had no game. </p>
<p>What I am saying is that I'm sure we can all think of a certain core group of premed guys that have no hope of ever meeting anybody. Like I said, some of these guys don't even shower.</p>
<p>Sakky is definitely right.</p>
<p>I've met many of these premeds-to-be-pitied.</p>
<p>I thought it went without saying, but the guys who stand to gain the most from the girls looking for the meal ticket, are the ones who had at least some chance to begin with, and being pre-med simply kicks them up a couple notches on the ladder. It all makes perfect sense if you're familiar with The</a> Ladder Theory.</p>
<p>I laugh at lethargytm's boasting about partying twice every six weeks. I'm in my third year of medical school and party more often than that!</p>
<p>No the proven way to get girls (at least 25% of hot girls) is to treat them like pure dirt. I know guys who do this and they get someone to wait on them, gifts and dates paid for, obedience, loyalty and best of all sex on demand.</p>
<p>^You are revolting.</p>
<p>W.T.F. "Gold diggers" aren't just girls. A lot of men gold dig too. Please stop making women out to be a breed of she-devils. I know this will come as a shock to you all, but there are women who are intelligent and ambitious. I for one don't need a man to take care of me (or be my sugar daddy). I can handle myself just fine, thank you.</p>
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Perhaps somebody should set up an online dating system - i.e. a match.com or eharmony - to put together all these girls that are apparently attracted to premeds and those lonely and desperate premed guys that I remember. I'm sure they wouldn't mind being seen as 'meal tickets' because, hey, that's a hell of lot better than nothing (which is what they're getting now).
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<p>But that's what I'm saying - if there really are all these "premed groupies" out there that are hunting for meal tickets (and presumably not all of these girls are successfully finding these 'tickets'), that would come as a shockingly pleasant surprise to those 'premeds-to-be-pitied' who can't get anything at all. Somebody should therefore should just set them up. The girl is happy because she has the meal ticket she wants. The guy is happy because he actually has somebody, whereas before, he was clearly getting absolutely nobody. Sounds like a huge win-win to me.</p>
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<p>W.T.F. "Gold diggers" aren't just girls. A lot of men gold dig too. Please stop making women out to be a breed of she-devils. I know this will come as a shock to you all, but there are women who are intelligent and ambitious. I for one don't need a man to take care of me (or be my sugar daddy). I can handle myself just fine, thank you.</p>
<p>???? Why don't you quit being so judgmental and mind your own business. What does it matter to you how they live?
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<p>Well, to use the ladder theory terminology, you still have to be on the girl's hookup ladder in order to have any chance. For women, it's estimated that 50% of their rating system is based on money/power, while "attraction" (which combines looks, competition, novelty, and 'other') makes up 40%, and "things women say they care about but don't" makes up the remaining 10%. Based on the breakdown of attraction (of which looks are 1/2 of the 40%) - about 20% of the total rating system is still based on looks.</p>
<p>Click on this page for the graph: The</a> Ladder Theory - Attraction Deconstructed</p>
<p>So based on those numbers, looks DO continue to matter, and our unfortunate lads who suffer from disturbing personal habits remain SOL.</p>
<p>As they always say - a person knows within 30 seconds of meeting you whether they'd hook up with you or not.</p>
<p>For those interested, the male rating system breaks down thusly:
60% looks
30% estimated chance she'll put out quickly
10% other</p>
<p>And for the record...I'd love to find me a sugar mama. And I've never been shy to say this. Maybe in residency I'll find some lonely plastic surgery fellow; a guy can dream.</p>
<p>BodaciousG, I like women that are intelligent and ambitious. Wanna be friends?</p>
<p>To buy into the gold digger theory does that mean you must be with someone who has the potential to make more money than you? Wouldn't that make you the gold digger?</p>
<p>What if I just want to marry someone because of who they are? Do I question their motives because they don't have an MD? </p>
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<p>How exactly am I being 'judgmental'? Did I say that there was anything wrong with women who are attracted to premeds (assuming that these women do exist)? Did I say there was anything wrong with being a lonely and desperate pre-med? I said no such thing. I simply said that, given that there are such people in the world, why shouldn't we put them together? By doing so, everybody wins. Do you have a problem with that? </p>
<p>In fact, I would argue that you're the one that is being judgmental and perhaps you are the one who should mind your own business.</p>
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<p>But again, that's my point. I think there's an important difference between 'hooking up' (which is what you're talking about now) and being seen as a meal ticket (which is what you were talking about before). The former implies simple attraction, whereas the latter implies a calculated weighing of what will improve your future. </p>
<p>If 'landing a meal ticket' is the real goal, then I don't know that characteristics like "attraction" are all that important. Money/power (or at least the potential for such) would seem to be the real key - in fact, most likely represent 100% of the equation. As a case in point, I highly highly doubt that Anna Nicole Smith was actually attracted to J. Howard Marshall. She was attracted to his money but not him. </p>
<p>So getting back to the topic at hand, who cares if the premed guy in question never showers? Who cares if he looks like Sam Cassell? Who cares if he's less than 5-feet tall? The only thing that matters from a "meal-ticket standpoint" is that he's a premed, right? {Just like the only thing that mattered to Anna Nicole was that Marshall was a billionaire.} </p>
<p>Yet at the end of the day, there still are plenty of lonely premed guys.</p>
<p>Easy solution. Go to vet school instead. Unless you're practicing equine surgery, gold diggers will run for the hills. Instead, you'll attract all the genuine women (men) who think that animals are cute and cuddly and that you're a terrific guy (girl) for taking care of them. :-)</p>
<p>If these premeds are studying all the time such that they can't land a date, a solution would be to take a year or 2 off. They can use the interim to do some light pre-studying. During this period, they surely have enough time to practice their social skills in addition to the amelioration of their scientific acumen. When they return, they would be able their newfound skills to get good grades and dates.</p>
<p>Not all guys look for sex from their dates. I personally want to wait till I am married. If I ever do want sex before getting married playing an alpha male role ensures you get it without spending a pennies. I know guys who get laid so often by being jerks and they get girls to pay for dates. The ladder theory is retarded.</p>
<p>Sakky, I get what you're saying, I can't argue with it, but obviously it doesn't work that way. While the "meal-ticket" ideal may be strong in a number of girls, I guess it's not so overwhelming or well-refined for most college women (yet). Throw in the fact that a pre-med is definitely no sure thing and the hole gets deeper for our SOL pre-meds...if he gets in, then the equation may change, and there may be some women who (assuming they haven't found someone else like a girl I know who got married at 23 to a 37 year old lawyer) will take interest. Make him a resident in plastic surgery, and again, the equation changes (and hopefully he's got some better personal habits). Really, it's kind of like the women are playing 'Deal or No Deal'.</p>
<p>Also, I didn't switch from "meal ticket" to hooking up. If it sounded that way, I didn't intend it to. I use hooking up to pretty much run the gamut. And hookup ladder is meant to distinguish from friend ladder. If you're on the hookup ladder, that's your foot in the door to any and all relationship possibilities from making out while completely wasted at a party to marriage. Stuck on the friend ladder and that's where you stay.</p>
<p>this is scary how you guys think -- and that you are anticipating going into medicine--somehow find it difficult to see you guys having what it takes to get there--but maybe thats just wishful thinking--we don't need doctors who are misogynists</p>
<p>A) There's a difference between being misogynistic and discussing women who make poor decisions. Believe me, I have many very smart, very ambitious female friends who have made great decisions in terms of boyfriends and husbands, and you'd never get me to speak ill of them (except to say that most can't drive very well). All that said, I think I can speak on behalf of all the "nice" guys out there who are stuck wondering why some d-bag gearhead gets all sorts of girls and we don't.</p>
<p>B) You obviously have no idea how guys talk when they're hanging out with just the guys. From HS locker rooms to the basements of fraternity houses on up to the OR at any hospital in any town in the US, you'll hear a LOT worse than this.</p>
<p>C) There are at least a couple posters who have commented already who are already in medical school. I personally will receive my MD in a mere 370 days. We apparently have exactly what it takes to get "there".</p>