<p>i was told that i was being supported at Amherst for football. however, i have just found out that my application has been in a way deferred, to some commitee and i will hear in march, before the decisions are released. based on experience and my stats in a previous thread <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/amherst-college/848381-do-i-have-anything-worry-about-chance-athlete.html%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/amherst-college/848381-do-i-have-anything-worry-about-chance-athlete.html</a> can anyone give me any insight towards this process, or let me know how kids at amherst and williams typically are handled at such a commitee? thanks a lot everyone on CC you have all been tremendously helpful</p>
<p>So abstract, did you really not apply anywhere else but Amherst? By all means, get in an application to some rolling admissions schools just in case.</p>
<p>Abstract: you should have your GC call admissions and find out what exactly is going on. My S went EDI to Middlebury for football. He was supported by the coach but did not have a slot because they were relying on his credentials to get him in. (He was in a high band) A week before decisions were released S received a call that admissions did not like a first quarter grade in a very difficult AP class S was taking. So they deferred him. Our GC called admissions immediately and was told that they would look at his 2nd quarter grades but otherwise everything else was fine. After reporting his grades to admisssions as soon as we got them ( and they were up considerably in this AP class and his others) we were still told that S’s application was in RD and we would not hear until March.
We spoke to the coach on several occasions and he was very guarded. ALthough he still supported our S, he stated that once you’re in the RD pool, he has less influence because they review your application against all the others in RD and of course this year apps are up greatly.
My S had contact with another Nescac school, visited it and loved it so he decided to go EDII to that school rather than wait it out. He’s accepted and breathing easier now.
I think your stats are great and you certainly deserve a spot at Amherst but perhaps you should have your GC call admissions to get the full story.
Did you come into the process late? I’m wondering why you did not go EDI?<br>
Best of luck to you!</p>
<p>abstract17 – I don’t know the Amherst Admissions process, but at some other NESCAC schools, if two readers of the application (one being the the admissions officer whose region your school is in and the other being another admissions officer) vote to admit you, you’re in. If they split, but are leaning toward admission, your application goes to the admissions committee for a decision. At some schools, the Director of Admissions makes the decision if the two do not agree that you should be admitted.</p>
<p>kk thanks a lot everyone. I applied to 10 other schools i should be ok, just was expecting a yes, i dont have much experience with how the process works. i got in a little late, couldnt apply ED bc harvard was pushing me to apply by october1, i think i saw that they wont take ur app if you apply ED somewhere else. needless to say that fell through.</p>
<p>abstract – looking again at your OP, what seems unusual to me about what otherwise looks like a garden-variety deferrral from an ED I or II application is the statement that you’ll hear in March, but before [regular] decisions are released. I’m not sure what that’s about or what the purpose is.</p>
<p>I think it’s important, though, to check with the coach to see where you stand in his list of recruits now that you’ve been deferred. The coach’s ranking of recruits may shift as he sees who’s been admitted, deferred and denied. If you have opportunities to play at the other schools you’ve applied to, I’d recommend touching base with those coaches now so you know what your options are come April.</p>
<p>My S has coach support for his NESCAC ED II application (different sport) and he probably will hear tomorrow. He was open with the other coaches recruiting him about his decision to apply ED II and did not burn any bridges, so he knows he’ll still have other schools/teams still interested if he’s not accepted. (At his school, acceptance letters went out to 18% of the ED II applicants.) If he ends up deferred or denied, he’ll be busy this week talking to the other coaches and going on an overnight he’d put off. Still, he needs to know what his chances of playing will be at each school now that all these other schools have their ED recruit decisions. Could be better, the same, or worse, but you need to know so you can make an informed decision when the time comes.</p>
<p>well it isnt exactly a deferral, i applied RD, but its like a defferall in that i could have been accepted last week but now i have to wait until march to hear their final decision. hopefully they are waiting to see my midyear grades which are very good</p>
<p>If you are any good at football, the coach will make sure you get in. He wants to win. If your grades are over 3.0 and your SAT’s are more than 1800 you can get in anywhere as long as you can play.</p>
<p>abstract17 --thanks for explaining, and it sounds as if you’re in good shape for March. But, at that point, unless Amherst is absolutely your top choice for all possible reasons (academics, football, $), it seems as if it’s more in Amherst’s interest than yours to give you an answer just shortly before all other schools post their decisions, assuming Amherst will want you to commit before you see where else you’re admitted.</p>
<p>Chun-you are 100% wrong-Amherst and Williams are MUCH more selective.
There are only 70ish “slots” for all the sports team-boys and girls-my S was heavily recruited, told to apply ED “you’re in” then 2 days before the ED deadline, the coach, under pressure from us, admitted that it was not highly likely our S would get in, as he only had a “tip”, not a “slot” He has a 4.0 in the IB and 700 SATs, but his SAT2s were only 640, 630, 680. For Williams, that was NOT good enough despite all his other excellent attributes.
He switched to Midd( they like the ACT(31)and no SAT2s required) and got in ED with some coach support, but not a “full slot”.
Amherst coach told my S flat out that he wasn’t competitive enough for Amherst without better test scores, for his teams(men and women) he only had 4 “slots” and my S was not one of the 4.
So while some coaches are truthful, they are all angling to fill their rosters, and are not always totally forthcoming. Plus, as another post on this forum stated, no NESCAC takes 100% of their recruited athletes. Unless you are an Olympic prospect, it’s not a golden ticket, just another helpful attribute.</p>
<p>I was under the assumption that my academics were good enough so that a slot would not have to be used on me, they would just “support my app” apparently this is not the case. im going to call to get more information as to if im still even being supported and how the other recruits are doing</p>
<p>“Chun-you are 100% wrong-Amherst and Williams are MUCH more selective.
There are only 70ish “slots” for all the sports team-boys and girls-my S was heavily recruited, told to apply ED “you’re in” then 2 days before the ED deadline, the coach, under pressure from us, admitted that it was not highly likely our S would get in, as he only had a “tip”, not a “slot” He has a 4.0 in the IB and 700 SATs, but his SAT2s were only 640, 630, 680. For Williams, that was NOT good enough despite all his other excellent attributes.
He switched to Midd( they like the ACT(31)and no SAT2s required) and got in ED with some coach support, but not a “full slot”.
Amherst coach told my S flat out that he wasn’t competitive enough for Amherst without better test scores, for his teams(men and women) he only had 4 “slots” and my S was not one of the 4.
So while some coaches are truthful, they are all angling to fill their rosters, and are not always totally forthcoming. Plus, as another post on this forum stated, no NESCAC takes 100% of their recruited athletes. Unless you are an Olympic prospect, it’s not a golden ticket, just another helpful attribute.”</p>
<p>If your son wasn’t good enough to get a “slot”, he wasn’t good enough to get admitted. Re-read my original post. Coaches want to win. If you can play, you’ll get accepted. They don’t care what your SAT’s and SAT 2’s are…as long as you can play. If you are an All-State football player from a decent sized state and you have 1800 SAT’s and 3.0 GPA, Amherst and Williams will take you.</p>
<p>Ok, Chun, you’re correct IF there aren’t 15 other all-state football players with similar or better stats.There are lots of talented kids, and from my experience, the bar is higher than you state.I think it is more like 700 and a 3.5. This also is consistent with a friend’s son who got a LL from Harvard-til he got the 700+ SATs, there was interest, but no red carpet.</p>
<p>im no all state player, all county on long island, not exactly the football capital of the world. The coaches seemed very enthusiastic though, i wasnt really made aware of the level of competition, i assumed at such a highly rated academic school with my grades id be a perfect fit. D3 is tougher than a lot of people think i guess</p>
<p>abstract17 – if the coach is still supporting your app, that’s good, even if you’re in the RD pool (or whatever you call what you’re in). Don’t give up.</p>
<p>I know FOR A FACT what the lowest acceptable academic standards are for the most desirable athletes at schools like Amherst and Williams, and its a lot higher than 3.0 and 1800. Chun King is just another disgruntled nonathlete forming his opinion on the basis of rumor.</p>
<p>yea i spoke to the coach about the details, turns out that almost all the non slotted kids are in my position, and im still on their list. apparently this year bc of the number of applicants admissions is not letting teams make many if any early commits, there is just too much competition. guess i’l just have to wait and see</p>
<p>Hey abstract, good job contacting the coaches. I’m sure they appreciate your continued show of interest. I have a senior (non-athlete) going through “the wait” right now. I know it’s endless. And if one more person asks her “where are you going to college next year?” I think she’s going to scream. Come here to vent, get mad, and eventually to tell us where you’re going. It will be OK. You have a good list…</p>
<p>“I know FOR A FACT what the lowest acceptable academic standards are for the most desirable athletes at schools like Amherst and Williams, and its a lot higher than 3.0 and 1800. Chun King is just another disgruntled nonathlete forming his opinion on the basis of rumor.”</p>
<p>Dude…there is a kid in my class who was offered a spot at Williams for football. He has a 3.0 and an 1810 SAT. He ended up signing with a D1 school. Williams wanted him bad.</p>
<p>Abstract17- Good luck on the March decisions!</p>