There are standards of satisfactory academic progress that must be met to continue receiving aid.
“set up a criteria of goals to accomplish in order to continue receiving the gift?”
Forcing repayment has nothing to do with withholding future gifts. Losing Pell eligibility for inadequate academic progress would be a whole different conversation.
The majority of college students are non traditional students who take more than 6 years to graduate. This is crazy. And they are the least able to pay back grants.
You mean like the criteria we already have?: https://studentaid.ed.gov/sa/eligibility/staying-eligible
or more bluntly:
THIS ALREADY (mostly) EXISTS.
(And yes, I’m yelling. I’m so frustrated.) @rickle1
I have been thinking about this some more tonight.
We live in a rural area with no regional transportation. I feel a low income student from here who wants to attend a community college is really showing some initiative. There is enough hassle involved in working in order to have a car, insurance, and gas for attending in addition to driving some bleak winter roads - I am willing to encourage them by having Pell grants. They are not taking an easy path. If a portion of them get derailed due to family commitments, housing insecurity, etc I am ok with that. They would be the kind to go back when their lives settle out.
This is just terrible. With the dropout rate already so low for low income students, this would be a way to incentivize them NOT to try school in the first place.
I think that Pell grants are a form of tumbrel insurance, and cheap at that. If you don’t give poorer people the opportunity to dream and achieve better status through their own efforts, you raise the risk of social unrest. It’s tough enough for a poor kid to make it these days.
@younghoss “But where/when did it become MY OBLIGATION to pay for others’ higher education?”
Taxes are meant for the betterment of society, not the betterment of a single individual. That is why it is your obligation to improve society. It’s the same reason why you pay taxes for better roads, healthier citizens, some business subsidies such as the bailout to keep our financial system from crashing, etc. Education is one of the best ROIs.
Only about 2% of the federal budget is spent on education (from kindergarten through higher education). Yet as a society, we all reap the benefits. Even if a person begins college and doesn’t finish, they will earn more and contribute more to the economy thereby increasing the initial ROI. It is for this reason why many public universities are looking to change aid from merit to need and increasing the number of recipients who receive smaller amounts of money.
If we invest more in the health and education of our youth, just think about the other subsidies that might take care of themselves (welfare, SNAP, healthcare) because we will have a workforce that can sustain itself.
As @roethlisburger stated earlier, this confuses correlation withcausation.
We all “reap” the benefits? lol, please do NOT try to represent ALL @tutumom2001 !
Yes, we ALL do. Everything from roads to medicine exists because of education.
“We all “reap” the benefits?”
Of course you do. In tons of ways. Look at countries with a poorly educated populace, with more lopsided income equality. Of course, we’ve been headed more in that direction of late, unfortunately, and bills like this and the new tax proposal will accelerate that decline.
Please, do a simple math assuming we ALL graduated at least from primary school, if we ALL reap what do we ALL reap from? nothing? there have to be someone who is contributing instead reaping? no one?
Think of it like Stone Soup. We all contribute ingredients and then get to share the soup.
so again, please do NOT represent ALL. Especially if you are from education system, “We all “reap” the benefits” is, should, NOT be the value for our kids to learn
@newHSmom I am having trouble understanding your argument. Could you expand on it please? Thanks
“Think of it like Stone Soup. We all contribute ingredients and then get to share the soup.” this sounds better than reaping.
I’m not here to argue, or win anything. Just that if you only want to reap there is no discussion anymore
You’re either not explaining yourself clearly (or perhaps it is just me who doesn’t understand your posts?) but like any investment, the idea is that it will pay dividends. Like any investment, it doesn’t pay off 100% of the time. The educational system could use some tweaking that might result in a better payoff to society but I find it hard to believe one could argue that society doesn’t benefit from education for our poorest citizens.
No one is expecting you to “win anything” but if you keep chiming in (which is fine - all voices welcomed) , it would be helpful to clearly make your point. Right now, I don’t get it.
@“Snowball City” My line “so again, please do NOT represent ALL. Especially if you are from education system, “We all “reap” the benefits” is, should, NOT be the value for our kids to learn” is not a reply to your “Stone Soup” opinion but rather a conclusion to my question before your post of “Stone Soup”. Sorry for the confusion.
Thanks for pointing me to the correct post.
Do you feel you do not get any benefits?