<p>I know, I am ranting again. lol</p>
<p>Hahaha, I’m just thinking of my laid-back high school. The science teachers wouldn’t have cared if lab data was made up, especially my former sleepy seventy-year-old physics teacher. The only thing I can see causing trouble would be making up data on the chemistry lab final. Aren’t labs worth like nothing in the grand scheme of your class grade?</p>
<p>Yea. Looking back now, I find my actions pretty hilarious. Labs are worth nothing in the class grade. And, teachers actually don’t grade the data. Its really just the interpretation/set-up of experiment, etc. that is graded. Thats why bsing data is not that big of a problem for some students.</p>
<p>Of course, this is not to say I would go around bsing data in the future. My counselor told me that if I “was going to be a scientist and bs data, I would destroy ppl’s lives.” All I have to say is: DUH? Yea, I know, there’s a difference between bsing data on “will raising temperature to inordinately high amounts kill life processes?” between medication that ppl will actually use. They must have assumed I was incredibly, morally ambiguous – someone who, in the future, would be willing to ruin ppl’s lives with false data. OK. I guess that’s appropriate…</p>
<p>Yes, you are ranting. I was an IB mother, and if I ever even thought of talking to one of my D’s teachers. my D would have disowned me. I never knew of any parents advocatng for a better grade. I don’t know what kind of school district you are in, but I’m glad I wasn’t with any psycho parents. Glad you are taking responsibility for what you did, and I’m sure you will move on and not digress again.</p>
<p>I don’t think that you should have received more than a slap on the wrist to be honest. That is as minor as looking up some of the answers for (completion grade) homework online and handing it in. I’m sure that some people disagree with me, though. I never really cheated in high school. I suppose a sentence here and there was a little too close to Wikipedia’s back in my freshman year, but I didn’t really do anything.</p>
<p>When cheating starts to matter is when it gives you a non-negligible advantage over your classmates.</p>
<p>^
Make sure you read your college/university honor code before you think little things are ok.</p>
<p>Sorry, really, I am just having fun trolling and taking my mind off of school (and, yes, the tests coming up next week). My parents, too, also were really surprised at this high prevalence of cheating at our school. Not to mention the fact that I was a part of it. </p>
<p>Honestly, there is probably a huge disconnection between adult’s perception of cheating versus teenager’s. With first-hand experience, I can confidently say almost everyone I have met has cheated (to varying degrees of course: from full blown-out plagiarizing from sparknotes to the copying of HW problems). Thus, trying to effectively address cheating often results in FAIL. Well, for me, it worked pretty well. But, still, it usually FAILS. Teach one student a life-long lesson, and at this particular, enlightening moment, 5 more students are cheating. I think the disciplinary systems at most schools are incredibly effective at rare moments, but mostly futile for the most part. Or its just my school. lol</p>
<p>You’re right. It is definitely not acceptable in university, and I suppose that being in high school isn’t an excuse.</p>
<p>Most of the “parents advocating for grades” are obviously hidden incognito, but, here and there, obnoxious students themselves admit to it, or just really annoyed teachers complain about it.</p>
<p>Having fun trolling…? People are actually here to help people, so for you to think it is a joke, well…you get what you deserve.</p>
<p>I’m not sure what the OP is doing trying to justify cheating by saying that for every cheater caught, five more go unpunished, but I think that we need to keep things in perspective.</p>
<p>GA2012MOM, let’s say a student has a minor physics assignment worth 1-2% of the final grade, and gets help with a problem from his friend. Should that student be suspended? If so, you might as well suspend 95% of all who have been through high school.</p>
<p>You know GA2012MOM, you really don’t sound like an encouraging mom. I am just trying to recover my messed-up psyches with a couple of laughs here and there. I post long-winded trolls, or should I say bursts of thoughts I have been holding in with myself, for CCers to comment on. Otherwise, who else would hear my rants/trolls/or whatever? This is what CC is for, not some dimmed-down, appropriate adult conversation. This site was made for high school students/college students. Not for adults. If you cant take my comments seriously, then well, find a more suitable blog.</p>
<p>Seriously, I am a teenager, my comments aren’t going to be that appropriate. This is especially given since this blog site give anonymity to its bloggers. Thus, a tendency for maybe inappropriate syntax can occur (oka, so it wasnt trolling). Then, again, calling a red flag for the word “trolling” can’t be taken seriously when u call me a d-bag?!?</p>
<p>I don’t like the OP’s attitude very much to be honest.</p>
<p>I do deserve punishment. I admit to that. And I already had it. Obviously my attitude towards some individuals mentioned in my original post are, at best, ambiguous… I respect their decisions, but am frustrated with the consistencies of their intents. Hey, I am a teen like u, trying to shift the blame. Obviously, shifting the blame is not going to change the situation, it just takes this situation in different perspectives.</p>
<p>Sorry to hear you were rescinded as I’m sure what you did doesn’t seem like a big deal. Cornell saw fit to treat you as they would any one of their own students, which is appropriate. Academic integrity at Cornell (and most schools) is taken VERY seriously. As I said before, the only violations where you don’t seriously risk being thrown out of school are when it is believed your insufficient citations in a paper were a genuine mistake/lack of understanding of how to cite.</p>
<p>You’ve done (mostly) amazing throughout your entire academic career so as long as you don’t let this get to you to the point where it debilitates you, you should be able to pick yourself up. I’m personally okay with your ranting/rationalizing since I think that’s an important step to moving forward. Yes, I’m sure it sucks to realize you could have failed the assignments and Cornell wouldn’t have looked twice. Now you have to move on and perhaps even work with your guidance counselor to figure out how to recover from your mistake. They may have sent the report to Cornell, but they should also be there to support you to recover from your mistakes. If not them, you need to find/network resources so you can get into the best school possible.</p>
<p>Not all mistakes are created equal. Some have grave consequences and academic integrity is a huge violation at universities.</p>
<p>BTW, I have no idea to what extent something like this will follow you around for your academic career so you probably should clarify that with your guidance counselor. If possible, you may want to see what Cornell says in terms of how to recover if they will offer any advice at all. It could be that all you’d need is 1 year of “good standing” at any school/community college to have that expunged from your record or maybe a year of good standing is enough such that colleges will ignore it. At any rate, from this point forward, you should confine your personal ranting to your friends/these forums. You need people to want to be on your side so don’t be too defensive. If you talk to your guidance counselor, acknowledge your mistake and its severity and apologize for putting him/her in a position where they had to write to Cornell about your lack of academic integrity, especially since in all likelihood, that was NOT a fun/enjoyable thing for them to have to report about one of their own top students.</p>
<p>OP</p>
<p>I’m sorry for the result. And … at this point ranting is healthy.</p>
<p>Despite how it looks, it’s not the end of the world.</p>
<p>A couple of thoughts --</p>
<p>Is the rescission appealable. If so, get your butt up to Ithaca and see what you can do.</p>
<p>If not – I think you have a few options.</p>
<ol>
<li> Gap year</li>
<li> CC/Transfer</li>
<li> Look for 4 year schools that are still admitting people. Either stay or transfer. Some even have merit money.</li>
</ol>
<p>I would probably recommend option 3. If you apply, you should go personally, obviously, you have some explaining to do, but honest contrition goes a long way, and these schools are dying to get someone with your credentials.</p>
<p>Yeah, I think PennState is still accepting people. They have rolling admissions.</p>
<p>Honestly, I’m shocked. Academic probation wouldn’t have surprised me too much, but an outright rescind is just too much for something which wasn’t a particularly heinous transgression, in my opinion. What you did was unethical, but not overwhelmingly so, and it’s frankly extremely common. It’s not like you outright copy/pasted a paper.</p>
<p>Are you sure you can’t appeal? Also, how did they rescind you? Can you PM me the letter?</p>