<p>If a person had GPA 4.0 in community college and transfer, what will his GPA probably be at UCLA? Any observation?</p>
<p>I heard it goes down a little bit but not drastically. It all depends on the student and how hard they work once they get there. I’m guessing, on average, their GPA would drop to a 3.5 unless they had no lives. I have smart friends at UCLA who have 3.3 GPAs and it’s not a reflection on their intelligence. I’m transferring to UCLA in the fall, and I’m graduating from community college with a 3.8 GPA. I’m guessing I’ll have a 3.3-3.5 at UCLA.</p>
<p>^ I think you’re being unrealistic. The average CC student that transfers into UCLA has a 3.62 and its common knowledge that transfers are usually not as sharp as first year students.</p>
<p>Its difficult to accurately predict your GPA because CC is so easy and the California Master Plan for Higher Education severely exacerbated the number of unqualified CC students at UCLA. I would not be surprised if the GPA were as low as 2.7. Of course, because CC GPA is such a poor measure of performance, I also wouldn’t be surprised if you had a really high GPA as well. (You could be performing at way above undergrad level and the best a CC could award you is their unimpressive 4.0!) </p>
<p>Be prepared for anything because, as you will soon realize, CC is nothing like an actual university.</p>
<p>^^^ really, you’re starting that bs transfers are dumber than first year students? why? because high school is so much harder? I’ve been to high school and community college and they were both easy. It was simply easier to retain a job during my time at CC than in high school (although I managed to at both).</p>
<p>To say transfers are less bright than first years is sad. Real sad. And to say it is common knowledge is worse. I feel bad for you. I feel bad people like you exist. I feel bad that people in this world actually believe getting into UCLA as a freshman (or, hell, as a transfer) is a flat indication of one’s intelligence. </p>
<p>No.</p>
<p>No.</p>
<p>Read some bell hooks, Paulo Freire, and Jeannie Oakes. Anyone else have any recommendations to enlighten sentiment?</p>
<p>p.s. to op, your gpa will probably drop because UCLA is more difficult (at least in workload) than CCs. This does all depend on your major though. And how you adjust. Some classes are also more difficult than others. </p>
<p>Don’t worry about it too much though, from what I’ve gathered from the “grown-ups” in my life, internships, networking, and research are often more important for your economic future than GPA.</p>
<p>oh, and CC is nothing like an ACTUAL university because ACTUAL university is full of sad people like sentiment.</p>
<p>Depends on your major and your education background even before the CC.
I know people who came in with 3.5-3.8 in CC and were very confident. But when they got to UCLA, they were in the 3.0-3.5 range. It took a few quarters to adjust to the coursework load, competition, time management.</p>
<p>However I can say if you had a 4.0 in CC and come from a strong secondary school background, you should be able to get at least a 3.5.</p>
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<li><p>Depends on the individual - 90% of the time you get what you deserve. If you put the work in for an A, your probably going to get it. </p></li>
<li><p>Depends on the major…</p></li>
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<p>HS - I finished with a 3.0 - never studied, floated by, enjoyed it
CC - I finished with a 3.5 - studied the day before, worked 2 jobs
UCLA - Currently have a 3.6 - its definitely more work and requires more studying but it isn’t necessarily ‘harder’ </p>
<p>History major btw… ready for all the ‘cake major’ etc.</p>
<p>O and sentiment, yes, us transfers clearly aren’t as sharp as first years considering we got to enjoy HS, saved an extra 25K, on average will finish with a higher gpa when applying to law school/grad school based on it being easier to finish CC with a higher gpa, and will still manage to receive the same exact degree as first years… o wait</p>
<p>Sopheee if you see this pm me! I just had an epiphany! Its Michael from Moorpark/Bartchy’s class!</p>
<p>^People like you are exactly the reason why UC Berkeley and UCLA have tarnished reputations–one of the reasons why I didn’t want to go to these schools. Shame on you if you’re proud of “floating” by your educations to get into these “top” schools.</p>
<p>^ +1</p>
<p>shame on the lazy bozos, I would slap you in the face</p>
<p>sentiment- That is a pretty bold statement to say that transfer students are not “as sharp” as freshman admits… Considering only about 25% transfer students were accepted for Fall 2010 class, Ucla admissions must be the “dumb” ones to admit any transfer students at all? What about the students who simply couldn’t afford to go to a UC out of high school? you are smarter than all of them too huh? how can you judge when you haven’t walked in all of their footsteps?</p>
<p>I’ve taken classes at 6 different community colleges and 2 Cal States. The most challenging classes have been at a community college by former UC professors. The quality of teaching from these professors was definitely night and day in comparison. </p>
<p>The most dumbed-down class of all time is a Statistics class from Cal State Dominguez Hills (through their extension program)… “open book test” etc… The variance between schools for the same class is disturbing… In fact, I plan on retaking that stats class at a community college because I didn’t learn s*it and don’t feel prepared for Psych 100A. :)</p>
<p>That being said I am sure Ucla will be more challenging than any of the other schools I’ve attended but that just means I’ll work harder. :)</p>
<p>There for the life of me aren’t that many poor students who actually choose the CC route in proportion to those who did awful in high school and decided to abuse the California higher education system. There are so many need based scholarships floating around.</p>
<p>I didn’t intend to start a heated debate and I’m not going to debate what I sincerely believe to be common knowledge. For those who intend to debate, such as Sophee, please be less dramatic lest you have a penchant for forum dramas. -.-"</p>
<p>Lawl, grad/professional school admissions will take into account your CC academic history since the classes tend to be easier and less rigorous. It’s not like they just look at your overall GPA that’s that. How much they will weigh CC vs university GPA will depend on the school, but rest assured it’s not the exact same thing even though your degree is the same. Some schools might even frown upon or not accept CC courses as meeting their pre-reqs.</p>
<p>Sure, there are people that pass up a UC or CSU admittance for a CC due to financial reasons. But the majority are ‘forced’ to go to a CC because their stats were not good enough for admittance to a UC or CSU. This latter group is “clearly not as sharp” as those admitted as freshmen.</p>
<p>You say you got to enjoy HS…well freshman admits got to enjoy college. Transfers miss out on a big part of the college experience, which is living in the dorms as freshmen and making new friends while everyone is fresh and excited to start college. Transfers get thrown right into 3rd year and more rigorous upper division courses, so it tends to be a lot harder for transfers to meet people.</p>
<p>There are always exceptions to the rule, but generally CC transfers are not as sharp as their freshmen counterparts because CC courses by nature are catered towards a lower common denominator.</p>
<p>Sentiment - I’m just wondering, do you know any students who transferred with a 4.0 and ended up with a 2.7 at UCLA?</p>
<p>VTEC - Do you know anyone who works in admissions at a professional/grad school? If so, please let me know which school informed you on how they view CC grades.</p>
<p>Sure you can say shame on me… yaddy yaddy yaddy, I took advantage of a broken system. Although I don’t necessarily think that allowing CC transfers to get into ‘top schools’ is broken, the HS admissions is broken. I’ve known tons of people who worked their asses off in HS, finished with a 4.2, yet ended up at a lowered tier UC than I did. I knew of this while I was in HS considering I have 3 siblings who all went the CC route into either UCLA or USC. So am I proud that I floated by… don’t really care… am I proud that I used all of the resources available to me in order to get into a top school… Of course!</p>
<p>VTE - Although I know that they will take into account the academic history, I’ve never heard of a law school rejecting classes taken at a CC. Although they may notice it, I definitely think a student who finished with a 3.8 at UCLA + CC has the advantage over a student who finishes with a solid 3.5 at only UCLA. Also once again, how is the fact that someone knowingly took advantage of a broken system make them not as sharp? There are numerous reasons why people chose the CC route… you can not make the claim that first years are sharper. Less lazy… probably, more determined…maybe…less sharp…no justification for it. Although I agree with you that freshman admits definitely enjoyed there first two years of college more, I wonder what percentage of these kids either had a poor first quarter where their grades dropped as a result of ‘having fun’ for the first time? Also, I am perfectly fine with giving up those first 2 years of the college experience for saving myself 25k.</p>
<p>“Sentiment - I’m just wondering, do you know any students who transferred with a 4.0 and ended up with a 2.7 at UCLA?”</p>
<p>i bet he doesn’t… probably making up stats just to prove his stupid point.</p>
<p>But i know 3 transfer students who had 3.9+ at a community college. They all maintained a 3.9+ GPA in biochemistry. One of them got accepted to UCLA for graduate school (PhD).
so in conclusion… suck it sentiment.</p>
<p>^Oh please, you’re the one making up outlandish stats. </p>
<p>How convenient of you to know 3 students with a 3.9 GPA! Note I didn’t even mention anything about coming from CC… Use your pea-sized brain to make up credible numbers at least. -.-</p>
<p>(Do note that UCLA grade curves often reduces the number of students receiving A’s in south campus majors to 1 or 2 people a class and some professors just do not feel like handing out A’s. An A- is not worth 4 points in UCLA. Therefore it is highly highly unlikely the previous poster is speaking with an ounce of truth.)</p>
<p>oh… dont be bitter, just because 3 transfer students probably beat your gpa.
i’m sure you’re doing better than many other transfer students.
(rolls eyes)</p>
<p>back to original poster, I’m sure you will do fine. A 4.0 at a cc is impressive and if you were able to get that, I’m sure you will do just fine at UCLA. From my experience and my friends’, nobody dropped by more than 0.3 points from their cc GPA. Good luck!</p>
<p>Lawl, there is a justification for it: GPA and SAT scores. Sure, there are many reasons why a student will perform poorly academically in high school such as laziness, no determination, etc, but the numbers still are what they are, and schools use those numbers to judge academic prowess. So using that as a measuring stick, CC students are “not as sharp” as first year university students on paper. That’s not to say they lack the capacity or potential to be as smart if not smarter than the first years by the time they get their degree, but at the point of high school graduation and even up to the point of transfer, they will still be on a lower tier academically when compared to students admitted as first years.</p>
<p>beer, no I don’t know anyone that works in an admissions office for a grad program. However, I just went through the application cycle for professional school and some schools said they “prefer” that all pre-reqs are taken at a 4 year university when they were asked. How much they internally weigh against CC pre-reqs is not public information, but just know that they do make the distinction and your final GPA is not everything. I’m not saying it would put you at a significant disadvantage, but if your stats are otherwise comparable to another applicant who wasn’t a transfer, the other applicant would have the upper hand. In Lawl’s example, a 3.8 and 3.5 grade difference is a pretty huge difference and the CC transfer would likely have the advantage unless their admissions test score was not up to par. Note that I’m only talking about pre-req classes taken at a CC. GE classes taken at CC shouldn’t affect much of anything.</p>
<p>I understand your point, however, I don’t agree that an individuals academic expertise is a factor on deciding who is a sharper individual. As an example, my High School’s 2005…I think, Academic Decathlon team won the National Title (El Camino Real High School). Im not sure how familiar you are with the competition, but as I remember they had 3 groups of students per team… A students, B students, and C students… One of the students on the team was known on campus as the smartest guy on the team… by far, yet what group was he a part of… the C student group. Story goes, he ended up going to Pierce Community College even though he scored the highest on the Academic Decathlon team which ended up winning the National Championship… </p>
<p>He is a perfect example of an individual who was definitely sharper than the majority, if not everyone at the school… and perhaps up there when looking at the nation… yet looking at his ‘numbers’ one would never know. Anyways, numbers are no indication for whether or not an individual is more sharp than another… like i said in a previous post… perhaps there an indication for whose more determined, less lazy, but definitely not sharper.</p>
<p>well, thanks for sharings which are positive</p>