<p>Unless your undergraduate degree is in engineering, an undergraduate degree from UC Berkeley, without the addition of a marketable graduate degree, law degree, or medical degree, is almost worthless on the job market. Lots of future Starbucks employees (the lucky ones) coming out of UC Berkeley.</p>
<p>^^As opposed to a UCD degree..................</p>
<p>Anyway, I wouldn't go so far as to say it's worthless. You could easily make the 40-50K range with a regular degree from Berkeley. However, I guess many of us don't believe that's great at all.</p>
<p>NeedAdvice. Well, ok, 40-50k with an undergrad UCB degree (assuming you can find a job). For the big bucks, you need the MBA, law degree. or medical degree. Of course, even one of these degrees is no guarantee of big $ unless you are successful.</p>
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NeedAdvice. Well, ok, 40-50k with an undergrad UCB degree (assuming you can find a job). For the big bucks, you need the MBA, law degree. or medical degree. Of course, even one of these degrees is no guarantee of big $ unless you are successful.
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<p>Hah, wow, you obviously don't know a lot of people with UCB degrees. Heck, I know a bunch of 2nd and 3rd years that are interning for anywhere from $40-60k a year right now (I fall into the low end of that category). You can bet those companies would be willing to hire them once they graduate, too.</p>
<p>Fact is, if you can't get a good job after 4 years at Cal, it's your fault, not Berkeley's.</p>
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<p>Yeah, take a look at my local community college. I could live at home all 4 years--really cheap housing guaranteed for 4 years. That meets 2/3 criteria of yours. I bet they have an honors program, too.</p>
<p>(In case you don't get it, your criteria are a bit limited.)</p>
<p>Dream on eudean....................</p>
<p>Unless a Bezerkly grad has an undergrad degree in Engineering they either don't have a job, are going to grad-law-med school, are living at home with mom and dad, or doing some clerical type job. </p>
<p>Sure, I know a lot of people with UCB liberal arts undergrad degrees, they are mostly "administraive assistants" (secretarial track types) or hold some menial job.....</p>
<p>Snap out of it "owdi."</p>
<p>Just because a quite large number of liberal arts Berkeley grads hold those kinds of positions doens't mean all of them do.</p>
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<p>Hmm, no, I'm awake, not dreaming. I don't have any 4-year degree (only completely 2 years at Berkeley). I still have a bunch of friends working $40-60k per year internships (which will likely turn into equivalently or higher paying jobs). I'm still doing just that myself.</p>
<p>You can't just say something repeatedly to make it true. If you're right, you only have to say it once.</p>
<p>Oh, and nice touch with "Bezerkly". You add so much credibility to your argument by showing your maturity.</p>
<p>Unless your undergraduate degree is in engineering, an undergraduate degree from UC Berkeley, without the addition of a marketable graduate degree, law degree, or medical degree, is almost worthless on the job market. Lots of future Starbucks employees (the lucky ones) coming out of UC Berkeley.</p>
<p>ceteris paribus, all other UC non-engineering majors without the addition of either a marketable graduate degree, law degree, or medical degree must have it worse off then.</p>
<p>The grim reality of it, oh my!</p>
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Oh, and nice touch with "Bezerkly". You add so much credibility to your argument by showing your maturity.
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<p>Which s/he didn't even spell right. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>As far as job prospects are concerned, just look here.</p>
<p>I wouldn't go so far as owdi as to say that liberal arts grads can't get decent jobs. But it is fairly clear that engineers make better starting salaries than liberal arts grads do. Applied Math, Haas, and econ grads also seem to be doing fairly well for themselves. {Regular math grads had an unusually lucrative 2005, but that year was an anomaly.}</p>
<p><a href="http://career.berkeley.edu/Major/Math.stm%5B/url%5D">http://career.berkeley.edu/Major/Math.stm</a></p>
<p>Its true, lots of Berkeley students are unemployed. Employers don't put a lot of credit to a Berkeley degree and rightly so; Berkeley produces a lot of trash.</p>
<p>I would seriously doubt Eudean's claim. The only way you can get a paid internship that would pay a yearly salary that well is probably if you are an engineering or business undergrad with pretty good grades. For most of Berkeley students that is hardly the case.</p>
<p>I wish to God I had known all this crap before I had gone to Berkeley. Once you're there you're also stuck because its so difficult to transfer out.</p>
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<p>Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it true.</p>
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<p>How would you know? You didn't even try to transfer.</p>
<p>What I think is really ridiculous is that grad students get to check out library books for 3 months while undergrads only get to check them out for one month. How unfair is that? :p</p>
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<p>What, you want me to scan my paychecks or something? I am in EECS, and I have good grades, but I do know others in EECS with 3.2s that are getting similar hookups (not as good, admittedly). I wouldn't expect someone with less than a 3.0 to land a decent internship, and the better your grades, the better shot you have of landing something.</p>
<p>But to "seriously doubt" my claim would require you to have knowledge of me and my friends. I seriously doubt you have sufficient knowledge to make such a judgement.</p>
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<p>Again, you are arguing via repetition. On the other hand, having talked to many employers, I would say that I know many employers that recruit from Berkeley because they believe it provides a solid education--of course, they won't recruit the trash, but they won't do that anywhere.</p>
<p>Look, if YOU couldn't get a job, that's your problem. Not Berkeley's.</p>
<p>Only thing I agree with is that most, if not all, of the professors I've had are below average teachers. The teachers I've had in high school were even far better than some of the teachers I've had. Of course, many students had terrible teachers in high school and think some of these Berkeley teachers I've had are actually good, but when teachers focus on research, I doubt they care all that much about teaching undergrades. Not to mention, they just suck at teaching.</p>
<p>^^True, for Economics especially. But History professors are gods. Not kidding.</p>
<p>Anyway, the 40 to 50k dealio I mentioned was beacuse I'm an Econ major. So yeah, I figure the majority of Berkeley students can make that much. Maybe not liberal arts, but everyone else for starting.</p>
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<p>Do you all of you guys even know that the sciences and the social sciences are part of the liberal arts? Really, look it up. Learn and know things.</p>
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<p>What a meaningless statement. What do you mean by a lot? Is this different than other schools?</p>
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<p>I would love to see some proof.</p>
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<p>You are not stuck anywhere. It is not "so difficult to transfer out." Some students do it every year. It seems like very few students want to transfer out, and those that do are generally capable. There are some exceptions, such as the small number of students trapped in engineering, but these are EXCEPTIONS.</p>
<p>do grad students get treated better than undergrads?</p>
<p>a glance at graduate parking spots will provide the answer, it will *yoda voice</p>
<p>ok continue ^___________^</p>